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It doesn't have to turn out like that Panorama programme suggested

Discussion in 'Diabetes Discussions' started by Brunneria, Oct 4, 2016.

  1. Oldvatr

    Oldvatr Type 2 · Expert

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    I don't have an answer to this. I did try to join a Support group run by the other lot (DUK) but they don't have an active group in my county any more. I also tried some of our local GP practices to see if they had any info on local diabetes groups, but there was nothing being offered. The local Library also turned up no results. DUK do have an office in a nearby town, but every time I ring them, I find myself talking to a fund raiser who asks me if I want to make donation or a will bequest. No I want info please. Then I am told to visist local library or GP surgery to pick up leaflets. Was at said suregery earlier today, and they have not had leaflets for a long time.

    Well done on your progress, and good to see you so positive about your diet, As you say, we need to spread the word, I saw my health care assistant this morning and she was very pleased with my recent record, and is really pleased that I have a diet that gives such positive results. She is going to follow up on LCHF and this forum since she sees many diabetics in the practice. My GP is also quite enlightened, but unfortunately is on sick leave himself at the moment. I see a locum next week for my annual MOT.
     
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  2. Freema

    Freema Type 2 · Expert

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    thats an amazing idea... and then maybe ask the BBC to show it in prime time so people know there is a nother turn of the road...
     
  3. DavidGrahamJones

    DavidGrahamJones Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Suggestion for script.

    Disappointment and wonderment when surgeon doesn't have to recommend an amputation.

    Carb count going up as matey boy loads up his bowl with 4 weetabix and cheerios (whatever they were).
     
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  4. Nicksu

    Nicksu Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    The sad thing about the programme I thought was that nowhere (but please correct me if I am wrong!) is that no mention of seeing a dietician was made. If they want to reduce the costs to the NHS then they should do more to educate - not criticise (and let's face it criticism without being constructive is absolutely useless). Give people the tools to manage their condition. Soap box vent over!
     
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  5. Oldvatr

    Oldvatr Type 2 · Expert

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    But carb count going up is exactly what Eatwell#2 is about. High Carb Low Fat is the current mantra/ Anyway, Joe Public wouldn't recognise a carb if upped and bit them in the posterior. Would need some explanation of the direct link between excess glucose (sorry, sugar [show picture of sugar so it is clear what is being talked about]) and carb in diet first.
     
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  6. Tabbyjoolz

    Tabbyjoolz Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    @Nicksu - yes, I was particularly annoyed when the boy was asked what he'd eaten for dinner last night. His reply, "curry and a chapatti", was met with "that's too much!" No questions about portion size or suggestions of alternatives.

    Similarly, my husband, on his last visit to the doctor, was told he "should try harder" to lose weight and get his BS down, even though over the years he has lost several stone and is on loads of medication. When my husband asked him to explain exactly how, when he had already pared his (old) diet to the bone and was exercising as much as he could, the doctor roared, "have soup and bread for dinner, like me!"

    This is the same doctor I avoid like the plague - the so-called diabetes "expert".

    Yes, we have a battle on our hands.
     
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  7. Nicksu

    Nicksu Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    My parents were met with much the same when they went to see their GP. My father was told "your sugars are rather high - try to improve them" but no information as to how to do this! Beggars belief! Anyway, mum has now bought a monitor so she can see how her levels go (the same as mine so I can supply her with any of the extras that are needed i.e. strips and lancets), but it just amazes me that the GPs are not more proactive. Father's problem is unfortunately portion size!
     
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  8. DavidGrahamJones

    DavidGrahamJones Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Please allow me to explain:

    You have to imagine that I'm writing a spoof script, I've already established that carbs are bad in an earlier part of my program. So we picture the same man loading up his bowl with weetabix and cheerios with a little counter showing his carb count. If necessary have the counter showing bits to be amputated and eye sight to be lost as the carb count goes higher.

    Sorry if it's a lousy idea, I'm not a script writer. I'm not so worried about Joe Public because it's obvious that there are those who can handle carbs, those that can't end up diabetic. It's those with type II that need to be told that eating carbs at the rate they are advised to do by the NHS are the ones who end up with diabetes.
     
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  9. markastin

    markastin Type 1 · Active Member

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    We may not be born with the condition, however the way type 1 is we are born and if it is going to happen then it will and we are powerless until diagnosis! Can't see them making a program about type 1 I think they would get that really wrong.
     
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    markastin Type 1 · Active Member

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    I personally found that program interesting but at the same time I am no expert with type 2. I thought it was aimed more at the nhs cost and proved that they are looking for cop out ways to save money rather than graft to change people's lives. I am type 1 and only for 10 months so far, seeing some of the complications did slightly open my eyes. Although the most common complication retinopathy was hardly mentioned.
     
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  11. MikeTurin

    MikeTurin Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I've watched the programme. It seemed to me tat the basic idea was to show some gory medical procedure and then that was backtracket to talk about diabetes. No mention of retinophathy, autonomic neuropathy, increase stroke an hearh failures. They had talked for brief moments of the problems of smoke and diabetes combined.

    Now I suppose that interviewing, say, Tom Hanks wasn't fitting for their storytelling, because seems to me they played it for the drama an not for the comedy (any reference on Hanks career before and after Philadelphia is purely coincidental)

    I prefer to say successfully control the diabetes, because once the damage is done one couldn't go back and the beast will return untamed if one ignores it. Having a proactive and helpul GP that motivates everyone to live better is the way to go. Making a splatter movie doesn't work.
     
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    Hi
    I am newly diagnosed type 2 what i saw on the program echoed my experience from the medical profession , i felt overwhelmed by it this is why i joined this forum
    regards
    James 2
     
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  14. Oldvatr

    Oldvatr Type 2 · Expert

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    It is quite clear that there is a very powerful lobby group behind the bariatric surgeons that are taking over the BBC. Someone has a vested interest in this since Inside Out has now had 3 transmissions showing basically the same story and footage without expanding the remit one iota. We have the proof in these three successive programs by the same team with the same twisted message. At least ITV had a small insert on advances in diet control to offset the snuff movie.

    We have seen a flurry of news reports with exactly the same theme being pushed out by the Beeb, and also in the press in general, so someone has a lot of money to burn. They are playing their Trump card. We have also seem powerful fiction being peddled to advocate Eatwell and HCLF diets, and attempts to stop GP's supporting LCHF. so it is clear those in power are getting rattled by recent advances in diabetes care.
     
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  15. MikeTurin

    MikeTurin Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I think that for the diet the things could be different because there are a lot of oddball and really oddball diets that people follow, and corporations that push books and products reelated to these diet regimes to obviously make money.
    I suppose that a GP after have heard of alkaline diet, blood type diet, cabbage diet, Slim Fast, Weight watchers, and so on when heads about LCHF automatically thinks bad about it and proposes to stick to official guidelines.
    After read some time this forum I've the impression that a few LCHF advocates tend to be a bit too vocal, generating the same bad rap that vegans have. Iknow a nice woman that is vegan, she's very smart, works as a chemical engineer, and can cook very well, and doesn't pester other people if they're eating scrambled eggs with cheese and spinaches (that is vegetarian by the way...), she makes tasty vegan food. She's not the typical vegan troll you find on Facebook. that one associates to vegans...
    The net result is that I ask her recipes!
     
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  16. Oldvatr

    Oldvatr Type 2 · Expert

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    I was the same when I first heard of it too. I was very sceptical of the claims being made, and did a lot of research of published studies before I tried it. Once I took the plunge (well, dipped a toe in the water) then it made my GP sit up and listen to me. My results all round have been (in his words) magnificent, and I have been taken off my Consultants list - honorably discharged, I no longer need Specialist care , or insulin conversion training, so I am happy to say I do LCHF and proud of it.

    My comments were made in respect of the press coverage, and a small group of professionals who are getting greater coverage than one would normally expect from a so called independent organisation. 3 programs on the same topic at prime viewing time in succession is suspicious. Even the footage screened was repeating and there was no real attempt to show any alternative treatments. If LCHF was a flash in the pan diet like many you quote, then there would not be so many showing benefit from it after several years. I have done it for a year now without lapse, and am intending to use it as a lifestyle change, not a diet/
     
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  17. Nicksu

    Nicksu Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    And that's the whole point - it has to be a lifestyle change, not a "diet", otherwise folks would just fall off the wagon and backslide to old habits. We have the tools to change things, its a case of having the mindset to do it (and persuading your GP to co-operate!).
     
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  18. Art Of Flowers

    Art Of Flowers I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I watch the Panorama program before I was diagnosed as T2 and again afterwards because I remembered there were some dire consequences if you don't take steps to reduce your blood sugar. I asked my diabetes nurse and she said that three of her patients had to have amputations and she said the reason was that they left it too late to take corrective action.

    Whilst the program was alarming and perhaps distressing to some, perhaps some need a kick up the arse in order to take action to reduce the their blood sugar, such as that guy on the program who kept eating his kids chocolate bars.

    I also watch the Welsh program on the LCHF diet and was interested to see the good results experienced by diabetics, but was dismayed to see the advice by some dietitians who suggest eating carbs and reduce fat. The government really needs to wake up to the problems of obesity and diabetes caused by the huge amount of sugar and carbohydrate in people's diet. There is a sugar tax on fizzy drinks coming in 2018, but this needs to be followed up by taxing high sugar content of breakfast cereals and other common foodstuffs.
     
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    tonal Type 2 · Active Member

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    tonal Type 2 · Active Member

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    newly widowed and trying to go back to basics lchf - what to cook for one? All ideas welcome.
     
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