borofergie
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noblehead said:I'm pretty much "all-in" with the low-carb high-fat thing at the moment
I'm following a (very) low-carb / high-fat diet, so if it's true that eating fat is bad for you, then I'm done for. But to be honest that is more influenced by Bernstien, Phinney and Volek than Taubes. I do love Taubes writing though...
noblehead said:The fact that you are ''all in'' with what Taubes et al are saying Stephen very little would persuade you otherwise.
Not at all, I like to read extensively around a subject. I'm reading Marion Nestle's "Why Calories Count" right now (a very vocal opponent of Taubes), and she has some very compelling arguments. I'm also a big fan of Stephan Guyenet's blog for example (another vocal critic of Taubes).
I think that there is some truth in Taubes hypothesis, and that insulin (and therefore carbohydrate) plays a critical role in the energy regulation of your body but I don't think it's the whole story. If you'd read the book you'd see that even Taubes doesn't think that it's the whole story.
The point is this, I think that it's great that people have an opinion on a wide variety of topics, but for intelligent debate you need to have an informed opinion, and not rubbish people as "fundamentalists", "fanatics" "paranoid" (with paranoid followers), or "loonies", and describe their work as a "feorie".
Check my post-count, nearly 1000 posts and none of those are to do with T1 diabetes or Insulin. I'm haven't read around either of those topics, and I don't have any personal experience. Therefore I don't think that I'm qualified to have a useful opinion on those subjects, so I steer clear.
This forum works around the principal that there are lots of equally valid ways to control your diabetes, a principal that I endorse completely. However, it seems to be OK to rubbish very-low-carb dieting and the science behind it. If you can do that from an informed viewpoint then fine, we can have a debate about it (I love that), but it's simply not OK to rubbish a diet followed by a significant number of diabetics without doing the work to back it up.
And for the record, I'm always open to have an opinion swayed by intelligent argument and reasoned debate.
noblehead said:I've not read or even viewed a Taubes video and would never intend too unless the current thinking changes, authors like these are appealing to the like of you as you follow a very low-carb diet and need some reassurance that the dietary path you are following is the right one, to the majority of diabetics and non-diabetics alike most would never have heard of these authors never mind believe in their views.
I'm a T2 diabetic on diet only. I don't have the luxury of insulin or even metformin (or a DSN, an endocronologist or a podiatrist). How else am I supposed to control my diabetes other than by reducing carbohydrate?
Since Low-Carbing has been forced on me (by a broken enodcrine system), I do my best to understand what the secondary implications on my health might be from removing carbohydrate from my diet. I am deeply reassured by what I have read from Volek, Phinney, Bernstein and Taubes, and I've seen a great improvement in my own health as a result, but I'm also interested in the flaws in their arguments (which was the point of the "all-in" statement above which you took out of context).
And you're right, most T2 diabetics don't know about low-carb and the benefits that it can have on controlling their condition. The reason that I am here is because I want to give them an informed choice. I don't think that very-low-carbing is the only way to control diabetes, but it is a good way, and it shouldn't be dismissed as a "feorie" for "fundamentalists", "fantatics" and "paranoid loonies".
noblehead said:I'm not 'diverting argument' merely pointing out that Taubes et al are irrelevant to the vast majority of people and experts on health-care, the reply to Hana was in response to her saying cals in/cals out doesn't work.......it sure did work for me!
I'm going to say this in bold, because it's important:
Low-carbing (and very low-carbing) are very relevant to T2 diabetics that are not controlled by insulin. Bernstein, Phinney, Volek and Taubes provide a scientific backgrount to why low-carbing works, and why it isn't bad for your health. If you don't think that is relevant to diabetics, then I don't know what is.