NIC703 said:YIPEEEEEE, thats what I wanted to hear :clap:
Dillinger said:Hi Nic,
Well - you have inadvertently strayed into a very hotly debated area with this question.
The traditional advice from the NHS is that fat is the thing to be avoided; weight gain is a simple process of not using as many calories as you consume. The solution to being overweight then comes down to eating less and moving more. Fat has more calories than protein and carbs so is the key one to reduce in your diet. Simple really.
Except the above is a load of rubbish and doesn't take into account the reasons why we get fat. It is well known that there is only one hormone in our bodies responsible for creating fat and that is insulin. The more glucose in the blood we have the more insulin we need to deal with it; and the more insulin we have the more fat is laid down. Increasing your carbohydrate consumption means increasing the amount of fat you are creating. Insulin also inhibits fat from being metabolised by the body.
So, the alternative reality that so many of us promote is; forget about all the fat and protein worries you have, eat more of them and less of the carbs and you will need to inject less insulin if you are Type 1 and produce less insulin if you are Type 2. Less insulin means less fat creation and if you are eating a low enough amount of carbs then your body will naturally start to metabolise your fat reserves; hence weight loss.
It is this idea that the Atkins diet is based on and what a number of other popular diets; the South beach diet, the Paleo diet and so on.
Give it a try and see how you go. Lots of people just say 'eat in moderation' and that is fine, but the key thing is is to drop the carb content of your diet to such an extent that your insulin levels come down and your body can start shifting fat.
Best
Dillinger
Dillinger said:Except the above is a load of rubbish and doesn't take into account the reasons why we get fat. It is well known that there is only one hormone in our bodies responsible for creating fat and that is insulin. The more glucose in the blood we have the more insulin we need to deal with it; and the more insulin we have the more fat is laid down. Increasing your carbohydrate consumption means increasing the amount of fat you are creating. Insulin also inhibits fat from being metabolised by the body.
Sid Bonkers said:However how do you account for overweight diabetics who have impaired pancreatic function, surely with less insulin they should all be super slim? No the fact is if you eat more calories than you burn you will not lose weight regardless of whether you eat more or less fat/carbs/protein. Carb control may be key to diabetic control but calorie control is the key to weight loss :thumbup:
xyzzy said:Tell me if I turned into Mr Mouse and just ate say 3500 calories of cheese a day and did no exercise would I put on weight? Let's assume the cheese causes a minimal insulin reaction.
Dillinger said:The traditional advice from the NHS is that fat is the thing to be avoided; weight gain is a simple process of not using as many calories as you consume. The solution to being overweight then comes down to eating less and moving more. Fat has more calories than protein and carbs so is the key one to reduce in your diet. Simple really.
philc said:This issue is covered by Gary Taubes in his book "Good Calories Bad calories". Scientific research into fattening diets proved that people eating more than 5000 calories per day could still lose weight.
borofergie said:Have you actually read the Taubes book Sid?
Sid Bonkers said:And what scientific research was this then? I wasnt aware that Taubes was a doctor involved in research!!!
borofergie said:No Stephen, why would I, I tend to believe what the medical profession believe rather than what some maverick with a 'feory' says ...
borofergie said:NIC703 said:YIPEEEEEE, thats what I wanted to hear :clap:
In addition to what Dillinger just said (all of which I agree with), including more fat and more protein in your diet will probably help fill you up more than "quick burn carbs", meaning that you'll probably end up eating less total calories anyway, so it's like a double whammy.
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borofergie said:Another thread derailed...
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borofergie said:NIC703, as Nigel and Sid are saying it is about calories-in vs calories-out. You have to eat more calories than you burn to get fat. You have to burn more calories than you eat to get slimmer. Everyone agrees on that. It's a fundamental law of physics (The First Law of Thermodynamics).
borofergie said:The question is why do some people consume more calories than other?
borofergie said:Either you accept that all obese people are either greedy or lazy, or you realise that the amount of energy that you have for fat storage or exercise is determined by your hormonal response to the food you eat.
borofergie said:If it was as simple as cutting calories, then everyone would be slim, and we wouldn't be in the middle of an obesity epidemic.
borofergie said:Sid said:No Stephen, why would I, I tend to believe what the medical profession believe rather than what some maverick with a 'feory' says ...
OK, I understand. How can you say you don't like his "feories", when you don't know what they are?