ND done, 5:2 fast didnt work now ND with a twist

[youngmanfrank]

Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet

Nice results,shows what determination can do.I can't find the reference but I did read somewhere that post diet the Newcastle volunteers put on an average of 3 kilos and that you can expect blood sugar levels to drift upwards again,so please do not get disheartened if your figures do change once you are back on a normal diet.

In my case I have avoided the weight increase.While on the diet my fasting bloods were in a tight 4.7-4.9 range,however post diet I have tested twice,each time averaging over a two week period.I tested as I came up to four months post diet,and again as I approached six months.In each case I averaged 5.2,however on normal food the range has varied from 4.7-5.7,still within the normal levels for non-diabetics.I think this reflects the nature of your last meal,what was in it,how many calories and the time you ate it.With increased glucose levels the liver is also able to liver dump as you wake up and I have several times recorded higher blood levels in the morning compared with bedtime levels.

In many ways the better test of your diabetic status post diet is probably to measure pre-meal,+1hr and +2hr,as this will show you whether you are controlling the initial spike in blood glucose and how quickly the levels come down.This is a measure of your insulin sensitivity.

Good luck

 

[Defren]

Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet

Nice results,shows what determination can do.I can't find the reference but I did read somewhere that post diet the Newcastle volunteers put on an average of 3 kilos and that you can expect blood sugar levels to drift upwards again,so please do not get disheartened if your figures do change once you are back on a normal diet.

In my case I have avoided the weight increase.While on the diet my fasting bloods were in a tight 4.7-4.9 range,however post diet I have tested twice,each time averaging over a two week period.I tested as I came up to four months post diet,and again as I approached six months.In each case I averaged 5.2,however on normal food the range has varied from 4.7-5.7,still within the normal levels for non-diabetics.I think this reflects the nature of your last meal,what was in it,how many calories and the time you ate it.With increased glucose levels the liver is also able to liver dump as you wake up and I have several times recorded higher blood levels in the morning compared with bedtime levels.

In many ways the better test of your diabetic status post diet is probably to measure pre-meal,+1hr and +2hr,as this will show you whether you are controlling the initial spike in blood glucose and how quickly the levels come down.This is a measure of your insulin sensitivity.

Good luck

Thank you Frank.

I still have another four weeks to go, before I am done completely, so still time for my body to tighten things up further. Then, hopefully once I have done the full 8 weeks, I have really given my body, especially my pancreas and loss of weight a real chance. I read that when you quit a diet, and go to maintain, you do put on weight, so that correlates with your reading. The article I read suggested going between 6-8 pounds lower than your goal weight to allow for this. I don't have a goal weight, I never have had, but am thinking perhaps I should find a weight I feel I could be happy with and have that as my goal? My biggest hope of all, is that my BG's remain tight. I really don't want to think I would have to spent the rest of my life on and off the ND, but I suppose if that is what it takes, then I would. I would much prefer to keep the BG's I have now, but use a low carb and exercise regime. The ND is amazing for the chance it gives our bodies, but not something I would constantly have to use to keep BG's down. That said, I think I have to be realistic, and times like Christmas where we all over indulge, could push them up again. Perhaps the ND may become my annual January diet to get back into safe territory.

 

[Defren]

Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet

Tuesday May 22 - day 30



Lunch
Pre BG 4.9 + 2 4.9


Dinner (solid food meal). 90g steak-grilled, 25g spinach, 25g cauli and 25g green beans.
Pre BG 4.8 + 2 4.9


Supper
Pre BG 4.8 + 2 5.5

3rd shake
Pre BG 5.5 +2 still to do


Fluid

Water 2.5L
Tea black 4 cups

Exercise

A lovely hour long walk with the dogs. Felt good to be out and about and exercising again.

Verdict after day 30

After yesterday and realising how much less I can eat now, when I weighed the veg for dinner, I really thought it was not going to be nearly enough. I decided to serve it on a small tea plate, so it did look a little more than it actually way. However, it ended up being about perfect portion size for me. When I was done, I felt satiated but unlike yesterday not stuffed. The total calories for my solid food meal today was 169, a whole calorie more than a shake :lol: I will confess I did add around a teaspoon of mint sauce, just 'cos I like it. I have managed all three shakes today (drinking last as I type) so feel I have been able to manage my meals better today than I did yesterday.

All in all, with the sun shining and happy and tired wee dogs, a great day.

 

[borofergie]

Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet

Thank you Andrew. I am really pleased with the results thus far, I would be classed as non diabetic with them, but as you and I know, it's only the ND that has got them to the point they are.

I have an appointment June 27 for a fasting FBG for my HbA1c test, and feel that should be somewhere in the 5's. My GP thinks the 6's so I want to impress him with a 5 if I can.

No pressure, but I've bought "4s" in the Defren HbA1c sweepstake. A single (Paul Gascoigne style) Mars Bar Def, and I'll be ruined...

 

[Defren]

Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet

Thank you Andrew. I am really pleased with the results thus far, I would be classed as non diabetic with them, but as you and I know, it's only the ND that has got them to the point they are.

I have an appointment June 27 for a fasting FBG for my HbA1c test, and feel that should be somewhere in the 5's. My GP thinks the 6's so I want to impress him with a 5 if I can.

No pressure, but I've bought "4s" in the Defren HbA1c sweepstake. A single (Paul Gascoigne style) Mars Bar Def, and I'll be ruined...

Ahhh a competition then Stephen :lol: Watch for the mail man, there is a HUGE box heading your way full of HbA1c busting goodies :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Defren]

Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet

YEAH!! I can now get into my jeans (without resorting to lying on the bed and giving the zip hell). :lol:

Since March I have now dropped 2 dress sizes. Next size down jeans to come out of retirement to help keep the motivation strong!

 

[catza]

Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet

Hey, well done you!

This week I have had to retire several pairs of trousers and some tops which now slide off my shoulders. I am taking great delight in laundering everything and putting each item in a Charity Bag. It only had a couple of items in it last month but now is getting quite full. By the time I am finished I should need a skip.

 

[Defren]

Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet

Hey, well done you!

This week I have had to retire several pairs of trousers and some tops which now slide off my shoulders. I am taking great delight in laundering everything and putting each item in a Charity Bag. It only had a couple of items in it last month but now is getting quite full. By the time I am finished I should need a skip.

It's great isn't it? I do believe we should part ways with our larger clothes, than we are not telling ourselves "we many need them again". I know I will never let myself get the size I was again. I am loving the new slimmer me. Not long and I should be around the middle section of a healthy BMI.

Congratulations to you too, brilliant job. We're the next beach babes :lol:

 

[catza]

Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet

.... more like beach(ed) whale in my case. I still have nearly half my body weight to loose. ... but I shall get there. 3½st down and 10st to go.

 

[Defren]

Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet

.... more like beach(ed) whale in my case. I still have nearly half my body weight to loose. ... but I shall get there. 3½st down and 10st to go.

Not a beached whale at all... I am sure, no, I am 100% positive you will get there, and I will support you every step of the way. (((Catza)))

 

[catza]

Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet

Cheers Defren.

My weight is my main concern as I have now reduced my readings to between 4.5 and 5.5 with most +2 readings having returned to post meal figures. I am holding the ND in reserve for a time when my weight loss stalls so I have been following your progress with great interest.

 

[Defren]

Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet

Cheers Defren.

My weight is my main concern as I have now reduced my readings to between 4.5 and 5.5 with most +2 readings having returned to post meal figures. I am holding the ND in reserve for a time when my weight loss stalls so I have been following your progress with great interest.

I'm glad my diary is helping you. It was very cathartic for me while I was doing it, just to be able to record my thoughts. I must admit, since introducing a solid meal, it is so much easier, but the stomach shrinkage is unbelievable. Today I had ham salad, there was quite a bit of ham, to keep the calories up, but, half again is in the fridge in cling film. I will record what and the weight I had when I do my figures later, but it's small amounts. My daughter, started dinner with me, finished hers and had a shower, just as she was coming out, I was putting the cling film on the left overs. It's really remarkable.

 

[Defren]

Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet

Wednesday May 23 - day 31



Lunch
Pre BG 5.0 + 2 5.0


Dinner (solid food meal). Ham (10 small slices) celery 50g 1 tomato 85g red onion 25g salad leaves 100g cucumber 100g - 176 calories
Pre BG 5.1 + 2 4.8


Supper
Pre BG 4.9 + 2 5.4

3rd shake
Pre BG 4.7 +2 4.8


Fluid

Water 2.75L
Tea black 3 cups

Exercise

Good day; half an hour on treadmill, 30 minute walking the dogs, then another 10 minutes walking dogs to pick up daughter.

Verdict after day 32

BRILLIANT!!

Possibly the best day so far, maybe even since diagnosis. I got into my smaller jeans, had loads of walking outside so feel so much better. I think a combination of the sunny weather and just feeling much better in myself has made today such a brilliant one. I can really feel that I am so much lighter. Walking is easier, and actually enjoyable I thought back today, at a time when I felt this good and this healthy, and it must be about 20 years ago. I was working full time in a stressful job out of the home (I work from home these days) and had to be very mentally and physically alert. It seems so strange that at 46 I am now fitter, and healthier than I was all through my 30's.

Diabetes is a hell of a shock when you first learn you have it, but cliched as it may be, I believe that, coupled with the ND really has been the life changing event I needed!

I did only manage half my dinner today again, but small meals are par for the course these days. :clap:


[edit to add] 3rd shake +2

 

[Defren]

Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet

Thursday May 24 - day 32



Lunch
Pre BG 4.5 + 2 5.4


Dinner (solid food meal). 100g chicken breast, 100g cabbage and leek mix, 50g spinach, 50g green beans. Calories 168 exactly th same as a shake.
Pre BG 5.0 + 2 5.0


Supper
Pre BG 5.4 + 2 5.3

3rd shake missed today.
Pre BG +2


Fluid

Water 2L
Tea black 2 cups

Exercise

A dismal 26 minutes. 16 mins on treadmill, forgot to check time, so when I did just carried on and finished the minute, 10 mins out with the dogs.

Verdict after day 32

For some reason I seem to be retaining water today, as my weight is up slightly and I feel sluggish (not constipated). I had a day of high expectations planned, but the best laid plans of mice and men, and all that, and it didn't happen. I did manage to get a very long and complex document completed today, and off to the client, and ahead of time, so that was good, but other wise, a real bleugh, can't be bothered type of day!

Diet wise I will only manage two shakes today, as I have just had number two, and to be honest, not been very hungry today. I am so mad at myself, what is the point in adding a meal, when I am missing a shake. How am I going to get the full effect of this, skipping a meal? Oh well, can't do anything about it now. I need to pace meals out better I think, to ensure I do have time, and appetite for them all.

My daughter told me today my bum has has 'major shrinkage' which did make me laugh, and as I haven't looked in a full length mirror for a while, was nice to know.

Hoping tomorrow is not quite so bleugh :lol:

[edit to add] Supper +2

 

[Defren]

Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet

After yesterdays dire exercise figure, I went hunting around for things to make exercise more fun, and help me on bleugh days. I came across a stepper. so ordered it. Apparently, you can put your favourite music on, and just step away, and also change the tension as you get fitter. It works on the tummy as well as other area's and as I put a post in the exercise forum about tummy exercises, then thought this might be just the ticket. I ordered it on express delivery, so it arrives tomorrow. I have also seen a 'thingy' you stand on (like a rubber dinner plate) with bungee cords, that you twist on. I like the look of that, so that is my next purchase, once I get to grips with the stepper. Both of these items are small and compact, unlike my treadmill, and reasonably priced, at around £40 for the stepper, and £20 something for the twist plate, so could perhaps be an idea for people either on limited budgets, or limited space. I will let you know how I go with the stepper tomorrow. It does have a step/calorie/other info computer thing, so I can keep track as I do on the treadmill.

 

[Defren]

Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet

Friday May 25 - day 33



Lunch
Pre BG 4.7 + 2 5.2


Dinner (solid food meal). Tuna salad 155 calories
Pre BG 4.1 :shock: + 2 5.0


Supper
Pre BG 4.8 + 2 4.8

3rd shake missed today.
Pre BG +2


Fluid

Water 3L
Tea black 4 cups

Exercise

10 minutes on the exercise bike (took it out the shed, it's need oiling, those 10 minutes were hell, on the supposed lowest setting). Then 30 minutes walking the dogs at a pretty good pace, to burn off bad energy.

Verdict after day 33

Diet wise, only two shakes again, but a good day. Weight down again, and feel great.

 

[tree-peony]

Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet

I think you're doing amazingly well :thumbup:

 

[Defren]

Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet

I think you're doing amazingly well :thumbup:

Thanks TP. It's really easy now, perhaps a little too easy. But I am still going to get to the finish line. I know I will feel so proud to have done it, and I think it really will help my body fight diabetes.

 

[tree-peony]

Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet

do you know, when I did my 30 mins Xtraining this morning I was HARDLY out of breath. Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel!

 

[Defren]

Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet

do you know, when I did my 30 mins Xtraining this morning I was HARDLY out of breath. Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel!

I have also found this. I am getting fitter. But I got the exercise bike out the shed yesterday, and in my defense it does need oiling, but I was shattered after 10 mins. Then today, the stepper arrived, and owwwwwwwww my poor thighs. It has resistance bands with it, but I may leave those alone a wee while :lol: