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Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet
Thank you Andrew and Clay. I slept like a baby last night, and have so much done today. I have to use mornings for mundane things, and then I can juggle both work and play (here) in the afternoons. I have done almost all I set out to this morning, something else that really is improving.
Thank you Andrew and Clay. I slept like a baby last night, and have so much done today. I have to use mornings for mundane things, and then I can juggle both work and play (here) in the afternoons. I have done almost all I set out to this morning, something else that really is improving.
Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet
Week 4 shakes ordered, so I am now using this weeks shakes, with a week ahead in the cupboard, and a another week ahead on order. I have also provisionally booked a telephone consultation with my GP should my weight loss be as drastic as last week. Still feeling the cold dreadfully, I don't ever remember feeling so cold. Heating is on full, and I am still cold. This for me is so far the only down side.
Week 4 shakes ordered, so I am now using this weeks shakes, with a week ahead in the cupboard, and a another week ahead on order. I have also provisionally booked a telephone consultation with my GP should my weight loss be as drastic as last week. Still feeling the cold dreadfully, I don't ever remember feeling so cold. Heating is on full, and I am still cold. This for me is so far the only down side.
catza
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Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet
I have decided that I will do the ND if/when I plateau with my weight loss in the future so am still avidly reading your progress as I want to see what I will be up against..
I am getting there on my VLCD. Had my first couple of 4s over the last 24 hours which has cheered me up immensely. Went to bed with 4.7 and my fasting reading this morning was 5.1 so if I can keep this up and continue loosing weight I will be one very happy bunny.Defren said:catza said:
Hey thereHope you're doing ok. Me? I couldn't feel better. Even the really unbelievable cold I have been feeling, is not quite as bad. Life is pretty darn good right about now.
I have decided that I will do the ND if/when I plateau with my weight loss in the future so am still avidly reading your progress as I want to see what I will be up against..
Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet
Isn't it just the most amazing feeling seeing those 4's? It makes all this so worth while for me. So far no 4's today for me yet, but I have my pre supper reading to take, and since my exercise has started a little late today, fingers crossed I may get one then.
Honestly this diet is fab, no problems at all, but I do know I am heading for another significant weight loss, hence why I have booked a telephone appointment Monday. I don't think it's going to be quite as large a loss as last week, but it's not going to be far off. I may have to cut down to 2 shakes a day, and have a light dinner, or 3 shakes and added veg. I will see what my GP says Monday.
You are doing so well, I could hug you. Jo x
catza said:I am getting there on my VLCD. Had my first couple of 4s over the last 24 hours which has cheered me up immensely. Went to bed with 4.7 and my fasting reading this morning was 5.1 so if I can keep this up and continue loosing weight I will be one very happy bunny.Defren said:catza said:
Hey there
I have decided that I will do the ND if/when I plateau with my weight loss in the future so am still avidly reading your progress as I want to see what I will be up against..
Isn't it just the most amazing feeling seeing those 4's? It makes all this so worth while for me. So far no 4's today for me yet, but I have my pre supper reading to take, and since my exercise has started a little late today, fingers crossed I may get one then.
Honestly this diet is fab, no problems at all, but I do know I am heading for another significant weight loss, hence why I have booked a telephone appointment Monday. I don't think it's going to be quite as large a loss as last week, but it's not going to be far off. I may have to cut down to 2 shakes a day, and have a light dinner, or 3 shakes and added veg. I will see what my GP says Monday.
You are doing so well, I could hug you. Jo x
Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet
Thursday May 3 - day 11
Lunch
Pre BG 5.7 + 2 hours 5.4
Dinner
Pre BG 5.3 + 2 hours 5.5
Supper
Pre BG 5.1 + 2 hours 5.5
Fluid
Water 2.5L
Tea - black 2 cups
Exercise
60 minutes treadmill 10 minutes down on yesterday.
Verdict after day 11
I'm a bit confused at today's readings, no 4's, yet no change in routine. I have had a little less water today, so that could be it. I will up my intake tomorrow. I am sleeping a lot less than I was before, but feeling so much more refreshed when I wake up, and my energy levels do seem to be improving day on day. (London Marathon next week :lol: ). When I am standing up or walking, I can no longer see my stomach, and just the tips of my toes. My waist has really shrunk in what appears to be just a couple of days. While I am sitting at my desk as I am now, my boobs don't invade my space any more either, they seem to have shrunk to a much nicer size, and are no longer heading south. Shoes that I have obviously stretched in the past, are now loose and my feet slide around in them quite a bit (good excuse for a shopping trip, I can't say retail therapy as therapy is coming day by day with my BG levels, and all round feeling of well being). A friend noticed today, my face is much thinner, and has a healthy glow, and my eyes look much brighter. I actually do own some cheekbones, and ribs :***:
Negatives.
I have had moderate pain in one of my shoulders today, it is arthritic pain, but I have been in so little pain recently, this has been a bit hurty. Also a twinge between my shoulder blades. Neither are debilitating like they would once have been, but enough to give me jolt once or twice.
[edit to add] Supper +2 and exercise
Thursday May 3 - day 11
Lunch
Pre BG 5.7 + 2 hours 5.4
Dinner
Pre BG 5.3 + 2 hours 5.5
Supper
Pre BG 5.1 + 2 hours 5.5
Fluid
Water 2.5L
Tea - black 2 cups
Exercise
60 minutes treadmill 10 minutes down on yesterday.
Verdict after day 11
I'm a bit confused at today's readings, no 4's, yet no change in routine. I have had a little less water today, so that could be it. I will up my intake tomorrow. I am sleeping a lot less than I was before, but feeling so much more refreshed when I wake up, and my energy levels do seem to be improving day on day. (London Marathon next week :lol: ). When I am standing up or walking, I can no longer see my stomach, and just the tips of my toes. My waist has really shrunk in what appears to be just a couple of days. While I am sitting at my desk as I am now, my boobs don't invade my space any more either, they seem to have shrunk to a much nicer size, and are no longer heading south. Shoes that I have obviously stretched in the past, are now loose and my feet slide around in them quite a bit (good excuse for a shopping trip, I can't say retail therapy as therapy is coming day by day with my BG levels, and all round feeling of well being). A friend noticed today, my face is much thinner, and has a healthy glow, and my eyes look much brighter. I actually do own some cheekbones, and ribs :***:
Negatives.
I have had moderate pain in one of my shoulders today, it is arthritic pain, but I have been in so little pain recently, this has been a bit hurty. Also a twinge between my shoulder blades. Neither are debilitating like they would once have been, but enough to give me jolt once or twice.
[edit to add] Supper +2 and exercise
Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet
Friday May 4 - day 12
Lunch
Pre BG 5.4 + 2 hours 5.6
Dinner
Pre BG 5.1 + 2 hours 5.7
Supper
Pre BG 5.0 + 2 hours 4.9
Fluid
Water 3.5L possibly a little more
Tea - black 3 cups
Exercise
30 minutes treadmill - dreadful effort.
Verdict after day 12
Hmm, not really sure where to start with this. I am getting very despondent and frustrated with my figures. I was getting some 4's, now I am getting none. I feel I am trying so hard, yet my body isn't playing ball. I think due to this, I am also feeling like I want to eat food again. I am now completely at a loss how to bring my figures down. I wanted to come of my morning Metformin on Monday, but now feel this is perhaps not a good idea, that said I really don't know what is a good idea! My weight is dropping, and I was certain with that my BG would as well - not so! I know loads of people would love 5's across the board, so feel a bit guilty whining I can't get them lower, but it's how I feel. Each time I test I hope to see a 4, and am wondering if I am stressing myself into the 5 bracket? If that is the case, then it's a vicious circle I know I must break, again no idea how to!
In myself I feel great, aches and pains easier, walking much improved, energy levels through the roof, sleeping much sounder and waking much more refreshed. I feel so much happier with myself, and my life, apart from the BG numbers.
I have no one I can turn to for advice, as friends and family although 110% supportive, just can't grasp the obsession I have with BG numbers. They have seen them come down since I began the ND so can't understand why I feel the frustration I do. My GP will also say, that I have good figures, so why worry? The problem is I do, and I am.
I understand it's still early day's. tomorrow and then Sunday, takes me to two weeks, but that's not quick enough. I don't think I would have felt like this had I not had 4's, but I have and I can't change that, and the resulting despondency. I can't go lower calorie or cut out a shake as I know that will lead to trouble, and as each shake is due, I am hungry and ready for it. In two weeks I want to add veg, I need to have solid food again, but am now wondering if for me, it may have to be 8 weeks pure liquid diet. The truth be told I am not sure I could do that. The need and the anticipation for real food is there, and I am looking forward to it. I am relieved it's only two more weeks to food.
I don't know, I need to think about this, and see what I come up with. I would also love opinions on what people make of this so far, and suggestions as to why I am no longer getting the lower readings. I have thought until I had my head unscrewing it's self, so maybe idea's from others will be something I have not thought of, that will push my body into lower levels.
Help - what do I do?
[edit to add] +2 supper reading.
Also... I read back what I had written above, and my sheer bloody mindedness kicked in big time. I whopped up the speed on the treadmill and walked a solid 15 minutes. I will NOT let this **** thing defeat me, it just isn't an option. I am shaking, sweating, but I feel good. It just shows if I stop being a lazy c*w and do the exercise I should be, I will get my fours. Bl**dy good kick up the ass, do the work I am supposed to = results. Serves me right for being lazy!!
Good night anyone still around like me at stupid o'clock!
Friday May 4 - day 12
Lunch
Pre BG 5.4 + 2 hours 5.6
Dinner
Pre BG 5.1 + 2 hours 5.7
Supper
Pre BG 5.0 + 2 hours 4.9
Fluid
Water 3.5L possibly a little more
Tea - black 3 cups
Exercise
30 minutes treadmill - dreadful effort.
Verdict after day 12
Hmm, not really sure where to start with this. I am getting very despondent and frustrated with my figures. I was getting some 4's, now I am getting none. I feel I am trying so hard, yet my body isn't playing ball. I think due to this, I am also feeling like I want to eat food again. I am now completely at a loss how to bring my figures down. I wanted to come of my morning Metformin on Monday, but now feel this is perhaps not a good idea, that said I really don't know what is a good idea! My weight is dropping, and I was certain with that my BG would as well - not so! I know loads of people would love 5's across the board, so feel a bit guilty whining I can't get them lower, but it's how I feel. Each time I test I hope to see a 4, and am wondering if I am stressing myself into the 5 bracket? If that is the case, then it's a vicious circle I know I must break, again no idea how to!
In myself I feel great, aches and pains easier, walking much improved, energy levels through the roof, sleeping much sounder and waking much more refreshed. I feel so much happier with myself, and my life, apart from the BG numbers.
I have no one I can turn to for advice, as friends and family although 110% supportive, just can't grasp the obsession I have with BG numbers. They have seen them come down since I began the ND so can't understand why I feel the frustration I do. My GP will also say, that I have good figures, so why worry? The problem is I do, and I am.
I understand it's still early day's. tomorrow and then Sunday, takes me to two weeks, but that's not quick enough. I don't think I would have felt like this had I not had 4's, but I have and I can't change that, and the resulting despondency. I can't go lower calorie or cut out a shake as I know that will lead to trouble, and as each shake is due, I am hungry and ready for it. In two weeks I want to add veg, I need to have solid food again, but am now wondering if for me, it may have to be 8 weeks pure liquid diet. The truth be told I am not sure I could do that. The need and the anticipation for real food is there, and I am looking forward to it. I am relieved it's only two more weeks to food.
I don't know, I need to think about this, and see what I come up with. I would also love opinions on what people make of this so far, and suggestions as to why I am no longer getting the lower readings. I have thought until I had my head unscrewing it's self, so maybe idea's from others will be something I have not thought of, that will push my body into lower levels.
Help - what do I do?
[edit to add] +2 supper reading.
Also... I read back what I had written above, and my sheer bloody mindedness kicked in big time. I whopped up the speed on the treadmill and walked a solid 15 minutes. I will NOT let this **** thing defeat me, it just isn't an option. I am shaking, sweating, but I feel good. It just shows if I stop being a lazy c*w and do the exercise I should be, I will get my fours. Bl**dy good kick up the ass, do the work I am supposed to = results. Serves me right for being lazy!!
Good night anyone still around like me at stupid o'clock!
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Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet
I think you should celebrate!!! Your BGs are completely normal.
Bear in mind that most blood glucose monitors are only accurate within about 10%. It's entirely possible that you could test 5 times in as many minutes and get readings that are ....... 5, 5.5, 4.5, 4.7, 5.2. Why worry about small differences that are really just reading errors in your blood glucose monitor rather than changes in you?
What should you do? Dead simple. Keep on with the diet, weigh yourself every now and again but cut down on the blood glucose testing.
Andrew
Defren said:
I think you should celebrate!!! Your BGs are completely normal.
Bear in mind that most blood glucose monitors are only accurate within about 10%. It's entirely possible that you could test 5 times in as many minutes and get readings that are ....... 5, 5.5, 4.5, 4.7, 5.2. Why worry about small differences that are really just reading errors in your blood glucose monitor rather than changes in you?
What should you do? Dead simple. Keep on with the diet, weigh yourself every now and again but cut down on the blood glucose testing.
Andrew
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Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet
NICE guidelines for non-diabetics.Before meals 4.0-5.9,2hrs after <7.8.Compare with your results.
Seriously ,way too early to be obsessing about blood sugars,you are part way through the process.By now you should have de-fatted your pancreas and liver according to Newcastle and your body must now adjust to working normally while continuing to shed weight.
My weight came off in lumps,not smoothly with most in the beginning.Each lump was accompanied by mood swings and irritability (ask the wife).
NICE guidelines for non-diabetics.Before meals 4.0-5.9,2hrs after <7.8.Compare with your results.
Seriously ,way too early to be obsessing about blood sugars,you are part way through the process.By now you should have de-fatted your pancreas and liver according to Newcastle and your body must now adjust to working normally while continuing to shed weight.
My weight came off in lumps,not smoothly with most in the beginning.Each lump was accompanied by mood swings and irritability (ask the wife).
catza
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Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet
Hi Defren, If someone was getting wound up by their meter reading you would be the first to tell them to take a break from testing.
So I am telling you instead You know stress will be reflected in your readings, you know that you are loosing weight, you know that the exercise you are taking is working wonders so lay off the blood testing for the weekend and step on those scales on Monday and come on here and make me green with envy. If you need any reassurance in the mean time check your Keytones, as long as you know they are present you know the ND is still working.
Hi Defren, If someone was getting wound up by their meter reading you would be the first to tell them to take a break from testing.
So I am telling you instead
You know stress will be reflected in your readings, you know that you are loosing weight, you know that the exercise you are taking is working wonders so lay off the blood testing for the weekend and step on those scales on Monday and come on here and make me green with envy. If you need any reassurance in the mean time check your Keytones, as long as you know they are present you know the ND is still working.youngmanfrank
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Quite interested in your comments about feeling cold.I have been suffering from cold feet and hands,and even in May I am still sleeping under a winter weight duvet plus a quilt on top.I have persuaded the boy doctor to do a blood test for hypothyroidism,as the cold extremities are accompanied by a number of other symptoms which cumulatively could add up to this condition.
There appears to be some sort of link between diabetes and hypothyroidism, both conditions being present in a significant number of people.It is quite bizarre in that I can go for a run,work up a right sweat,and yet an hour later be suffering from cold extremities which normally I would expect to be the result of poor circulation.
Quite interested in your comments about feeling cold.I have been suffering from cold feet and hands,and even in May I am still sleeping under a winter weight duvet plus a quilt on top.I have persuaded the boy doctor to do a blood test for hypothyroidism,as the cold extremities are accompanied by a number of other symptoms which cumulatively could add up to this condition.
There appears to be some sort of link between diabetes and hypothyroidism, both conditions being present in a significant number of people.It is quite bizarre in that I can go for a run,work up a right sweat,and yet an hour later be suffering from cold extremities which normally I would expect to be the result of poor circulation.
Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet
I know all of you are right of course, as I said I know people would be thrilled with 5's, and I do feel bad for whining. It's me, I know it is. I am never going to be happy. This condition really has scared me, probably more than anything else in my life. I really am terrified of what could happen.
Thanks for your comments.
Frank, the cold is unreal, my hands, feet, all over. If I were a canine I would certainly be in the healthy bracket, even my poor nose is cold. Like you, I have a thick heavy winter duvet, and then on top a thinner padded comforter. It takes ages to get warm even then. Last year this time, my bedroom window was open 24 hours a day, and remained that way until October. This year I still have my thick winter curtains up! It's not fun!
I know all of you are right of course, as I said I know people would be thrilled with 5's, and I do feel bad for whining. It's me, I know it is. I am never going to be happy. This condition really has scared me, probably more than anything else in my life. I really am terrified of what could happen.
Thanks for your comments.
Frank, the cold is unreal, my hands, feet, all over. If I were a canine I would certainly be in the healthy bracket, even my poor nose is cold. Like you, I have a thick heavy winter duvet, and then on top a thinner padded comforter. It takes ages to get warm even then. Last year this time, my bedroom window was open 24 hours a day, and remained that way until October. This year I still have my thick winter curtains up! It's not fun!
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Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet
Most puzzling,try this link for thyroid problems:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/physical_he ... oid1.shtml
I suppose the real question is whether or not the symptoms started when you went on the diet.
Most puzzling,try this link for thyroid problems:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/physical_he ... oid1.shtml
I suppose the real question is whether or not the symptoms started when you went on the diet.
Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet
Now it's funny you should mention thyroid. I have a list of questions I want to talk to my GP about, thyroid being one. Had I known my GP was doing the diabetic clinic a week yesterday, I would have taken the list, but I wrongly assumed it would be a nurse, and unable to answer the questions I have. I do plan to see my GP soon, so will raise it then.
I do find when I exercise I warm up, and stay warm for a short time, so am using this to shift my lazy behind and get moving.
Now it's funny you should mention thyroid. I have a list of questions I want to talk to my GP about, thyroid being one. Had I known my GP was doing the diabetic clinic a week yesterday, I would have taken the list, but I wrongly assumed it would be a nurse, and unable to answer the questions I have. I do plan to see my GP soon, so will raise it then.
I do find when I exercise I warm up, and stay warm for a short time, so am using this to shift my lazy behind and get moving.
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Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet
Well worth doing a search on hypothyroidism on this forum.It seems difficult to diagnose and doctors seem to vary in how seriously they take this condition.One of the problems is that some of the symptoms are also associated with diabetes eg itchy skin.Once I had got my blood sugars under control some of the diabetes symptoms disappeared,but other symptoms did not,and this led me into a search for what else was going on.I reckon I have about 3/4 of the symptoms on the list you can see on the link I gave you.
I have asked my doctor for a TSH test,which he has agreed to,and a T4 which he has not.Given that you cannot diagnose the condition in some cases without both test results I think I might be onto a loser initially and sense a long battle ahead (or a shed load of money being spent privately).
Please do share the information you glean when you eventually see your doctor.
Well worth doing a search on hypothyroidism on this forum.It seems difficult to diagnose and doctors seem to vary in how seriously they take this condition.One of the problems is that some of the symptoms are also associated with diabetes eg itchy skin.Once I had got my blood sugars under control some of the diabetes symptoms disappeared,but other symptoms did not,and this led me into a search for what else was going on.I reckon I have about 3/4 of the symptoms on the list you can see on the link I gave you.
I have asked my doctor for a TSH test,which he has agreed to,and a T4 which he has not.Given that you cannot diagnose the condition in some cases without both test results I think I might be onto a loser initially and sense a long battle ahead (or a shed load of money being spent privately).
Please do share the information you glean when you eventually see your doctor.
Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet
Saturday May 5 - day 13
Lunch
Pre BG 5.2 + 2 hours 5.6
Dinner
Pre BG 4.7 + 2 hours 4.5
Supper
Pre BG 4.8 + 2 hours 5.0
Fluid
Water 3.5L
Tea - black 3 cups
Exercise
One hour 10 minutes treadmill, but speed increased quite a lot, to a speed I have never attempted before until last night, so a very, very hard day's exercise.
Verdict after day 12
I have now proven to myself at least, exercise is key to this. You want good figures, you have to work for them it's that simple. I'm not going to try to pretend today has been easy, but I know day on day, it will be. As I saw the 4's pile up, I think a switch in my brain that has told me, a couch potato is something I will never be again. I want to do well, so I have to work. No pain no gain as they say. I know me well enough to know, the absolute determination that kicked in when I read yesterday's post back, will push me forward. I am exceptionally determined, and I want this so badly. If I sit back and am a lazy c*w I am going to get nowhere, that for me is not an option.
Brilliant day today, and at least 10 more minutes exercise to come, as it's not long since I had my supper shake, and I want a session of exercise in before I take my +2 reading.
[edit to add] supper +2 and extra exercise.
Saturday May 5 - day 13
Lunch
Pre BG 5.2 + 2 hours 5.6
Dinner
Pre BG 4.7 + 2 hours 4.5
Supper
Pre BG 4.8 + 2 hours 5.0
Fluid
Water 3.5L
Tea - black 3 cups
Exercise
One hour 10 minutes treadmill, but speed increased quite a lot, to a speed I have never attempted before until last night, so a very, very hard day's exercise.
Verdict after day 12
I have now proven to myself at least, exercise is key to this. You want good figures, you have to work for them it's that simple. I'm not going to try to pretend today has been easy, but I know day on day, it will be. As I saw the 4's pile up, I think a switch in my brain that has told me, a couch potato is something I will never be again. I want to do well, so I have to work. No pain no gain as they say. I know me well enough to know, the absolute determination that kicked in when I read yesterday's post back, will push me forward. I am exceptionally determined, and I want this so badly. If I sit back and am a lazy c*w I am going to get nowhere, that for me is not an option.
Brilliant day today, and at least 10 more minutes exercise to come, as it's not long since I had my supper shake, and I want a session of exercise in before I take my +2 reading.
[edit to add] supper +2 and extra exercise.
Re: A Geordie trying the Newcastle Diet
Thanks for this Frank. Luckily I have a brilliant GP so am very optimistic he will agree to test. I will let you know what happens once I have seen him. I am due an HbA1c at the end of the month, and he likes to discuss the results about a week later, so hopefully pretty soon.
youngmanfrank said:
Thanks for this Frank. Luckily I have a brilliant GP so am very optimistic he will agree to test. I will let you know what happens once I have seen him. I am due an HbA1c at the end of the month, and he likes to discuss the results about a week later, so hopefully pretty soon.
