Should I just go? Sparkles.

[sparkles]

I have totally struggled to understand what is going-on on this site. I now realise that I was caught up in something that I still don’t understand. Cuglia took some time out eventually to try to explain the politics of it and I have been trying to follow threads and links and trying to get my head around the background of whatever the internal disputes have been on this site prior to my arriving here.. I have also now seen things on the net from the expelled faction. Frankly it didn’t look bad to me. I have only a few peoples advice from here that this breakaway faction are bad news. But the site I saw offers info which didn’t offend me. On the contrary it looked very sensible and understandable. As I understand it now.. Perhaps I am wrong… this site here at diabetes.co.uk is run by people who favour low-carb low-fat diets and the other site favour low-carb-high-fat diets.

I know I want to low carb. I think I want to low-carb high- fat.
So please can someone who knows what its all about tell me
…….am I just on the wrong site?
…….Should I just go?

I was pleased to read Smidges comments on enough is enough post. (I’d have posted something had the thread still been open. ) It was somehow reassuring to me that this was not all in my head and I am not cracking up (again).

I really don’t like the way things are edited and gagged around here. I was sorry to read Cugila’s post when he finally got round to explaining the loss of his (and another’s) roles as moderators and touched by the support given them by some members. I read Benedict’s appologies at his own self admitted bumblings ….and I still don’t get it!
As a newbie caught up in something strange I could have done with knowing all that before and I am still dazed and confused over the advice being given to me by Cugila in that post. Don’t jump in, don’t believe everything… I was totally unaware of this ongoing argument so what would I believe? Who would I believe? I have no hidden agenda and know no-one. I want to know more about low carb and diabetes!!
I never realised that low carb had two factions to do with high or low fats. It all seems so childish to me. This is a big national website- charity with thousands of members. It seemed obvious for me to come here to seek support. It felt great to meet you all at first. But it went pear shaped and I still don’t understand if it. Was me and things I said. Is it something about my good opinions about low carb? I felt I detected a lot of paranoia here and conspiracy theories. At times I did feel attacked but I still don’t know what for? Other than trying to advocate for freedom of speech. …And perhaps rightly for possibly infringing copyright.
And Yep Smidge…not cool. So why? I really thought I’d met some ‘nice people here…( Viv, DD, especially) but now I find myself getting paranoid wondering if everyone here are all low-carb -low -fatters and taking the ****. There are posts I simply don’t understand… Whats all that about punks in your house patch? Everything becomes surreal once you start wondering too much.

So ..please
Can someone just tell me… am I in the wrong place.
Should I just go?
And if anyone can really honestly enlighten me as to what is going on - that too.
4.40 Am...still disturbed.
Thanks.
Sparkles.

 

[CollieBoy]

Sparkles,
This is a forum full of people, some good , some bad, some enlightened, some mischevious! All believing they are posting for the best. As you go on you will learn the style of the posters and to what extent they can be relied on for info. I would recommend that you neither walk away or be dragged into a war of someone else's making. instead, sift through the info given and use it to build your own knowledge base, saying X is a complete twonk but he has some interesting info that I can build on :lol:
You are a mature person so I say stay , use what you can sift from the forum, and give what you can in good faith to help others

 

[ams162]

hiya we dont low carb at all dylan being only 9 and i have never felt unwelcome because we dont do things a certain way i have found helpful advice from fellow members regardless of whether they follow the same path as us in treating the diabetes and have picked up some very useful tips. i hope u stay and find the site as useful as i have

anna marie

 

[lovinglife]

For your own peace of mind you need to draw a line under this, let it go and move on. Trying to understand it is going to drive you mad.- you obviously want to stay otherwise you would have just left. I hope you do stay as you seem like a nice person who just got dragged into some stuff

This forum is a great source of info - There are lots of different people here with lots of different opinions, ideas and ways of doing things - some brilliant some good and some even a bit mad! - but this is my opinion and that's what you have to do - form your own opinion - read, digest and then decide if its for you or not. Your opinions may be very different from mine but that doesn't mean we can't get along with each other - just like a lot of people here -

This is the internet - all life at it's best and worst is is available to us at the click of a mouse - All we can do is take what we think is the best and use it to our advantage - throw away the worst and pay it no more attention.

I have never found this froum to be all about one way or one person (although there has been times when some try to make is so) - It would be sad to see you leave and not participate - but there is only you can make that decision no one can make it for you - just don't let it eat you away - like I said I hope you stay

 

[Sid Bonkers]

Hi Sparkles, the debarcle that you and others have walked into should not have happened and IMHO only occurred due the forum not being properly moderated any longer. But the forum still holds the key to good diabetic control and if you stick around you will get a lot from the forum of that I have no doubts, on any forum covering any subject you will find people who have differing views, thats what forums are for, debate. What is/has happened over the weekend has nothing to do with debate and everything to do with goading the members here into overreacting.

No one can tell you what is the best way for you to control your diabetes correctly, there are many factors to take into account, some members will have high insulin resistance that has led to damage to the pancreas so they may produce less insulin than others, some like myself are luckier and have less insulin resistance having managed to loose weight and our pancreas' are a little healthier perhaps so we may be able to eat a little higher amounts of carbohydrates, others may have other conditions to take into account that can prevent them from eating certain foods. You must test your own bg levels before and after every meal for a period of time and get a good idea of what foods ie. amount of carbs you can manage and what foods you may have to avoid. You will probably find that most carby foods you will have to reduce drastically, I found that I had to reduce the whole amount of food I was eating by at least a third if not more and have now got used to a new lifestyle, I don't diet, I just eat less of everything, I dont avoid fat but neither do I seek to eat more of it either, I eat all foods with the exception of pasta which still even in very small portions spikes my bg levels, I do eat it occasionally but only occasionally and I realise that my levels will shoot up as a result.

The reason I choose to eat this way is that diabetes is for life and I dont want to diet for life thanks, but I have radically changed my lifestyle, and some carbs I will only eat in very small quantities, but I do still eat them. The split in this forum has come about due to certain members and ex members inability to accept that there is any other way to control diabetes other than their way which is generally very low carb and high fat, the reason I say very low carb is simple as if you eat fat with any carbs you will get fat/put on weight, but if you dont eat carbs at all or only the unavoidable carbs witch are found in many foods like veggies your body will look for something else to burn for energy and that something else will be body fat or the fat you eat, hence high fat diet.

Now most reliable source's say that a high fat diet is bad for your heart and cardio system and that high protein diets can be bad for your kidneys, this is what I believe along with many others and most of the medical profession. But the group of diabetics who call them selves low carbers dont believe this at all and are constantly trying to change every one else's opinions about it even though most people aren't interested anyway, so it seems to us like they are trying to justify their diet to themselves as those who dont severely cut their carbs just dont care.

Now it may come to pass that the 'low carbers ' are right and that high fat diets are just fine and healthy but despite what they will say there have been no long term studies done to prove or disprove their theories. Now I dont think the low carbers are wrong, they are doing what they feel is right for them and they believe they are doing the right thing which as far as I am concerned is fine, what I don't like is threads being started that state that low fat diets make you mental which is just another of their continued tirade of abuse aimed at those who dont follow their way, with them it has always been "this is the ONLY way do do it" which I and others do not agree with. I will add here that not all low carbers are the same and there are many who eat a high fat or higher fat diet but dont continually preach to others that their way is the only way, so its not that myself and others ( and I can obviously only really speak for myself here) object to low carb diets or those that follow them but I/we do object to a few individuals. who want to disrupt this forum for their own ends

this site here at diabetes.co.uk is run by people who favour low-carb low-fat diets and the other site favour low-carb-high-fat diets.

This site is run by diabetes.co.uk who have no diet agenda what so ever and most of the members of its forum are quite happy to debate and chat about all kinds of diets.

Some others sites/blogs/forums are indeed dedicated to one sort of diet but thats not a problem to anyone is it, you pays your money and takes your choice, this debarcle, as I have previously stated had little to do with diets and everything to do with disrupting a forum by those people who have been previously banned and have huge chips (pun intended) on their shoulders.

 

[Serena51]

Sparkles

No, you shouldn't go. I agree with the other posts, your task is to find information to help you in your diabetes, sift and keep that which harmonises with you and ignore the rest.

Just draw that line and move on with the understanding that we can't get on with everybody that we meet in life but can be grateful for the friends we meet.

Jane

 

[donnellysdogs]

Sparkles

You definitely shouldn't go......!!!!!!

I am not a low carber or a low fatter or a high carber or a high fatter!!!!!

I just try personally to eat as much fresh (unprocessed) as possible...and that is why I have loved reading your such knowledgeable gardening tips!!!!!!!!

I too have tried not to get embroiled within, however I have made some comments that we are all individuals and have to find what suits us being our own persons, and that is genuinely my belief. Why else would we all have different genes?? Why can one member of a family have diabetes and others not????.....just because we are all individuals...luck of the draw..and I believe firmly that we all have to find our own way with weight and living that suits us..and one that works..

The only comment that I had such a stirring to was the one regarding mental illness, as I and my mother and my nan have had mental illness to a varying degree...(if you count depression as a mental illness)...and because mental illness is seen with such a stigma STILL, that I did write a one liner in this...not meant to have been for or against low fat/high fat...but because of the mere fact that menatl illness to me in the context which this subject was mentioned still sort of had a stigma...that so many of us are acutely aware of because of Employers misconceptions and the publics misconceptions about it...

I firmly believe that we all have a valuable input to this site....I personally think that if there is an attack on any individual by anybody...that persons should be ruled out of the game.

I admit that Jopar and I had a spat..we took it to pm'ing....and I don't think there is a modicum of angst between us now. Jopar and I sorted our differences out as far as I believe...and moved on...Jopar recently posted about her dogs winning....I was thrilled for her genuinely...because again dogs are my love...I didn't add in another spat at the same time..because the subject was done and dusted..and forgotten. I respect her views, might not believe in them,,but I do have to respect them.....

Sparkles, please don't go...I have just pulled my first carrots....which the dogs ate behind my back whilst I was picking the mangetout!!! I am winning with the mole due to cayenne and paprika....I would never have had the advice if it wasn't from your posting...or about the sweet cicely.....

Respect....and elimination of individuals getting narked with and venting their anger wiould help this forum at the moment, but I believe we should also all be aware that the individual from the other site is posting here, and getting others to post to invite antagonism amongst us...it is down to individuals (again!!) whether they are going to rise to the bait or just ignore it....or turn the subject around nicely....

 

[ClaireG 06]

Please stay Sparkles. I agree with everything that has been posted on this thread. We are all different and all have different ideas etc. What is important is finding what works for you. I agree with Sid on that point that the only way you can find out what raises your bloods and what doesn't is by trail and error and using your meter.

 

[Patch]

Please stay. Common sense is a commodity in short supply around here. :wink:

This was a problem even when ken and sue were mods. It's not fair to pin this on the new mod team.

Now it may come to pass that the 'low carbers ' are right and that high fat diets are just fine and healthy but despite what they will say there have been no long term studies done to prove or disprove their theories.

Good point.

Now most reliable source's say that a high fat diet is bad for your heart and cardio system and that high protein diets can be bad for your kidneys, this is what I believe along with many others and most of the medical profession.

But lets not forget that the "most reliable source's" that you mentioned have based their recomendations out old, unreliable studies. I won't take this thread further off-topic by mentioning names... :wink:

If these reliable sources could disprove the health benefits of fat/saturated fat, don't you think they would have done it by now? Surely if fat is that bad, papers that promote the health benefits of eating fat (incl. sat. fat) would be poo-pooed?

The truth is, as time goes by, we (humans) learn more, and get better at what we do. It could well be that a mistake WAS made about fat all those years ago (and evidence does point towards that), and only now after that much extra research, and question asking, are we beginning to realise that we made a mistake - and the very foundation of modern health (ie - keeping fat levels low(er/ish... whatever) is flawed.

Sorry sparkles - didn't mean to thread-jack!

 

[LowCarbGeek]

Sparkles in a nut shell it is about being tolerant and openminded.
I started out on the orthodox dietas advised by HCPs, I soon found that this did not work for me.
[youtube][/youtube]I started my own research reading books and forum posts. I found some of it puzzling and time consuming. I had already proved to myself that by playing around with those starchy carbs my blood sugar was following suit.
Like most people I was a bit nervous about the fat, nothing for it I decided to try it out. I was my own guinea pig, gradually increasing fat. I don't go by all that percentage stuff and science. I am suspicious of studies I know too many people who have taken part in studies and later admitted that actually they have been cheating
Stupid gits!
I was lucky in that I had the support of my consultant, I paid to forum have blood tests done private. I kept a strict diary, noting what I was eating, exercising, emotional and mental feelings.
3 years on I am confident in my approach to my diabetes. I feel on top form physically and mentally. It works for ME. All my blood tests come back as normal, no vitamin and mineral deficiencies.
However I don't know your personal medical history therefore cannot advise you to do as I do, you need to learn to listen to your body, go by your instincts, become your own master. What worked for me might not do anything for you.
In regards to forum politics least said the better, stay out of other peoples tantrums.
Hope this helps you some.

 

[donnellysdogs]

I think that we should all realise that as well as the low carbing aspects etc...we are all on different varying medicines.....medicines are still in their infancy.....and decent medicines haven't been around for more than a century.

It may not all be down to what we eat.....it's our genes, and it could be our bodies reactions to medicines, and hey we all have different lifestyles as well...come on..some of us are active out in gardens etc, some work, some don't, some do marathons....there is a huge amount to balance when we think about just ourselves.....lets just not get strung up on this aspect...advice on what has worked for an individual is advice...take it as may working for you, try it, it may, it may not...if it does great....if not there will be something that does work!!!!

Look at all these exercise videos'...used to be the green goddess in my day, then Rosemary Conley, and now even Ex Eastenders!!!!!! If all these videos can be made by so many different people...(for money!!!!) and people are STILL going out and buying more...it just goes to prove that one individual with their exercising regime didn't work...otherwise everybody wouldn't be buying the Eastenders Exercise etc.....

We are all individuals....advice for what has worked for individuals is great....lectures and antagonism isn't.....

Sparkles, sift through it all, I genuinely am interested in a lot more here than the diets people have...our gardening club!!! is brilliant...the pump advice and type 1 and 2 is great as well. There are some absolutely lovely people here. I have met the loveliest lady by telephone here that has helped me through so much you wouldn't believe. I genuinely want to help others, as she did with me. I would have been flat on my face without her. She has seen me through what I consider has been the blackest days and I am now living under a beautiful rainbow...we have never met in person and yet she has given me the most valuable support when I needed it most. So there are some lovely people here...and it isn't all about diets!!!!!

 

[viviennem]

Please don't go, Sparkles! I've been upset a time or two by the tone of posts and what I considered to be uncalled-for attacks on other members, their experience and their beliefs. But I came back because I can't do without this forum - and the number of really nice, helpful people I've met on here far outweighs the others. You are one of those people - we need you on here!

Love form

Viv 8)

 

[sparkles]

(INSERT /PLEASE ALL NOTE when I began composing this only fergus had replied)

Thanks for your reply Furgus. This might be look like a silly question but do you make sell or market low carb bread? Just that Furgus isn’t so common a name and I saw it linked to a low carb bread advert somewhere.

I suppose in a forum with this many people there will be many personalities etc. Then when I think health professionals with traditional views (who could also be here) and diabetics (with their own counter views) there will be different angles too. But really there are so many posters here… Will I really get to know them all and whats behind them? I am beginning to wonder with the rise in diabetes whether the government or somebody wants the population to be ill.

My experiment into low carb seems to be working and I’m losing weight and feeling better. So many others who’ve tried it also seem to say the same thing. Some also advocate other type of diet which have worked for them. I‘m pleased for them. But I’m not generally interested -on a personal level- in other types of diet because I have suffered the stigma of not being able to stick to or succeed with another type of diet for a lot of years now. So I find it easy to believe people who present conspiracy ideas or ideas about modern food industry, governments, etc which may be challenging to some. I get the impression I’m not the only one in that situation. ...Perhaps of the diabetic population who do manage weight on diets there is a number who can only do it by low carbing. If so I am one and I am only just realising it. I thank my son who bought me a birthday book, and no one else for this discovery. it’s been quite a long and in some ways painful journey to get here.. And I’m only just beginning. I want help.

There are many ways to low carb. I realise this now from posts here and I learned here that low carb means different things to different people. It’s a minefield! All I want to do is continue to use this method as a way to regain lost health and BG and weight control. (and perhaps shout about it in pride -if I achieve it!!!)

But when you are so green as I Furgus … how do you know you are getting dragged into a war of someone else’s making? The thread on copyright infringement appeared to me to come soon after I made some recipe posts and I felt responsible for the ensuing chaos. I felt very bad. I also could see another person felt the same having also posted in a similar way. Does anyone need to be made to feel that bad? Correct me if I’m wrong but the originator didn’t make clear who in their mind the culprits were or why she felt the need to reprimand and to issue that reminder which at the particular moment that co-incided with mine and the other person’s posts. (so how were we to know it wasnt intended for us?) Were we targeted? If so why in that aggressive style? As newbies we deserve more respect. Then why did someone ask ‘am I lonely’ and post dateline clips? And speak cryptic -Disabled or not? Don’t get that? I deserve more respect.

There are many ill and ailing people. I do have this (call it silly) idea in my head (gained from searching for answers to my skin condition on the net) that there are many people suffering serious skin conditions. (same as me.) I’ve got mine under control I think but have been through two years of hell. Two lost years in many ways. But from horrendous (Skin) pictures I’ve seen people are suffering much worse by far. (I'm talking the morgellons sites) That pains me. The idea that perhaps many of these people are unknowing diabetics -the types of diabetics who can’t handle carbs who like me (till recently) who haven’t made the conection to condition and carbs and who in ignorance keep shovelling carbs in. (regardless whether they have any diet advice from HCPs or what that might be.) That idea crucifies me frankly -I am a sensitive soul. If there is a group of people, large or small for whom low carb diet is the way ----the only way to health, (frankly I put myself there.) Then gods sake help them!

WWWWWWowwww… I stopped here to look at the thread.

There was just the one from Fergus when I started this and suddenly there are a lot of posts all of which I’ve just read now. How do I answer all those points? Where do I start? I am touched that the consensus here seems to be that I should stay. This at least makes me feel welcome and I was becoming increasingly unsure about that. I havent slept all night and need to as my skin is seriously playing up at the moment. It's seriously uncomfortable.

So I’ll stop here and come back later. I just want to reply to loving life’s statement ‘You obviously want to stay otherwise you would have just left.’ There is some truth in that. But I don’t want to stay if Im not welcome. I don’t particularly want to stay if I cant find what I need. (friendship, support and education as I stated earlier) but should also mention I am particularly wanting to view and focus on ‘low carb’ with a very open mind and attitude. I feel I do want to pursue some of the ideas that I feel some here find challenging and feel frustrated at whaat to me looks like censorship. (with no wish to offend anyone, truly)

For example- now I’m curious ... What would happen if I put up a thread entitled ‘What is the link between low fat and mental illness if there is one?’ would I get lampooned, censored etc. would all those with an opinion on the subject be allowed to post? Would those who are sensitive to the idea be able to let it grow without stamping me and it down? These are the kind of questions going on in my head and influencing my thinking on whether I am in the right place to find what I am looking for. Of cause, I want to read and discuss other areas too.

A truly great big thank you to everyone who cared or cares enough about me as an individual to answer this thread. I will return and try to pick up some points you’ve all raised. but first ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz. I’m shattered. THanks.

Sparkles.

 

[donnellysdogs]

You wouldn't get lampooned by me...so long as opinions and experience were expressed with some true factual, checkable statistics and no attitudes were put towards people that disagree with them....ref mental illness...

There used to be a great debating programme on tv years ago, can't remember what it was called....even schools have debating societys which don't go headlong in to clashes that we have had here....

I think I have learnt a lot recently from the debates that have been posted...and it has been a great learning curve, and not just about other people..about myself too...

I am so sorry that this caused you a sleepless night, that isn't nice.....nice motto to think about though.....'be nice, don't cause sleepless nights'......can be used in all sorts of things in our life's not just here!!!!!

 

[jopar]

As Donellydogs say

She and I did have our spat, vented our frustrations via our pm's some might say we threw our toys at each other from out prams :lol: and now we've moved on no grudges bared..

A few years ago several individuals didn't like their idology challenged, but instead of debating their idology which you will see on many other forums, they instead decided that those who dared challange their idolology not only would they have to be hounded off the forum, but hounded by any means possible!

Why did I challange!

So that others had full facts so that they could make their own choices but make a knowledgeable choice based on all information.. As information being given at the time and at times now, were purely based on 'You've got to do it my way or Die'

No consideration was given to whether individuals actually needed to go to some drastic measure to gain diabetic control or did they just need to tweak their diet slightly to suit!

Ikea flat pack instructions may well put that set of draws together, but it won't make you a cabinet maker! Only understanding and knowledge about all the material's invovled and how to put these together will do that!

Something that was missed by many people..

I'm here to create understanding of the material so that individuals learn how to put them together for themselves, not provide an Ikea flat pack manual But it's seems that some are more concerned with the manual and not the quaility of the cabinet!

I won't tell anybody to eat or not to eat, high carbs, low carbs, high fat or low fat, but provide information good, bad or ugly so that you can work out what's best for themselves..

 

[ebony321]

I once had a member retort to me that my point of view was not valid because my hba1c was terrible. Which it indeed was, but there was no need for a personal remark such as that because my view didn't match theirs.

It made me do this as i was only putting in my two cents -> :evil: :roll: :| :shock: :x

I don't think you should leave, what i've seen from your posts, you seem like you have alot to offer in the forum.

Some people seem to have inabilities to let things go here, and it's good to see people are willing to take things to PM's to sort issues instead of hijacking someones thread.

I don't low-carb, but i've thought many times that if my diabetes could be controlled by diet, then i think it was a route i would explore, but i doubt whatever diet i would of chosen would be suitable in everyones eyes.

A big issue here is that things can be taken out of context as there is lack of tone of voice, body language etc and there is alot of things going on that quite frankly i don't understand and maybe i don't want to as it sure has affected alot of people here, more and more VERY odd posts are popping up everywhere :?

But i still come here and i still post, and i try help and ask for help myself, i learn alot here aswell as hoping i can at least help one person, through knowledge or just being here to answer an unanswered post or simply saying hi

Aslong as your happy here i think you should stay as many people have taken the time to reply to this post it shows you are respected and liked by many

 

[phoenix]

What would happen if I put up a thread entitled ‘What is the link between low fat and mental illness if there is one?’ would I get lampooned, censored etc. would all those with an opinion on the subject be allowed to post?

Of course not, you would be asking a question not making a provocative statement.
Like you I have spent the morning composing a reply. I'm now not going to post it openly , discretion is the better part etc

 

[RussG]

If someone is asking something because they don't know the answer, want information and will make up / change their mind based on what people say, then that's a genuine question and should recieve honest responses, which may or may not be what people want to hear.

If a question is either designed to be provocative or the asker already knows the answer and just wants people to comment so that they can disagree / agree with them, then that's open season in my book. You may reflect on your example question in that light.

You are the only person, Sparkles, who can decide if you should stay or go. If the forum provides you with what you want, then stay. If not, you should probably go, but with one proviso. We are all part of the forum - and we make it what it is. It's not some separate entity that we all have to just accept. You can take part in changing the debate in the forum, or not, as you see fit. The forum won't change just for you - it's not your forum (nor mine, nor any individual's). But we can collectively all play a part in changing it to be the way we want it to be.

 

[Ka-Mon]

this site here at diabetes.co.uk is run by people who favour low-carb low-fat diets and the other site favour low-carb-high-fat diets.
Sparkles.

I remember reading this forum a while back before I became a member that back then it was a struggle between "low-carbers" and "high-carbers", now it's between low-carbers and low-carbers.....those of us who do not belong to either "clique" as someone put it, feel left out this time. :lol: :lol:

Jokes aside, if you feel that the forum is run by a "team" whose ideals are not to your liking then maybe you should think carefully if it's of any benefit for you to stay. If, however, you think that this forum is a real help and you are benefiting from it than the question should not enter even your thoughts.

If you feel that the other forum you mentioned is the right place for you then it would be best for your own good to join that forum and get the help/answers/information that you need/are looking for.

These are the questions you should be asking yourself and try to work out what is best for you.

Re: the "copyright infringement" thread. I think it was a very good idea to remind members about this subject, although at first I did question why it wasn't done by the Admin/Mods, but then realised that it was done by a concerned member of the forum and I posted my two pennies worth agreeing with the OP. I believe that the reason for not naming names is that the OP didn't want to point a finger at particular person or persons and that it was just a general reminder.

We have a good and friendly forum here and I don't believe any one of us want to see this forum get into trouble and maybe forced to close down just because members make either deliberately or unknowingly go against laws of the Internet. Anyone who does not agree with the law and is deliberately trying to get this forum in to trouble should be banned and never allowed to cause any more trouble here.

I am neither a low-carb high-fatter nor a low-carb-low fatter, personally these two diets do not interest me in the slightest BUT I will never tell anyone they are wrong following these diets or that they ARE mentally unstable if they follow the wrong diet, that is NOT why I am here, I am here to learn more by reading and help if I can wherever I can.

One thing is for sure though, I will not let anyone tell me that what I am doing is wrong and that if I don't follow their advice I must be mentally unstable. I have never told anyone what they must do and I have never insulted anyone by such stupid insinuations, everyone must know what's best for them and the route they want to follow BUT there is a line that when someone crosses it and knowingly and deliberately insults me or those who have helped me then I will have something to say about it. I'm pretty certain that you will not let someone insult you or your friends, right?

Whether you decide to stay or not is your decision no one can make that decision for you. Hope you make the right one that is best for you.

 

[ShyGirl]

I