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So beans don't require insulin?

Discussion in 'Diabetes Discussions' started by Resurgam, Jan 23, 2017.

  1. Resurgam

    Resurgam Type 2 (in remission!) · Expert

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    I was just at a session for the education of diabetics - and suspect that the dietician was in the pay of Heinz, she was pushing the consumption of their tinned beans so hard.

    She claimed that a Type one diabetic would be able to eat ordinary baked beans with sugar in the sauce and not need insulin - which seems rather far fetched to me, but she was also extoling their virtues as a source of protein and fibre...

    There were various plastic models of foods on the table to be sorted into the various food groups - but there were no salad leaves or stems - no celery, radishes, lettuce, cabbage, spinach nor onions - there were no green beans or peas either - all very strange.
     
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  2. Bluetit1802

    Bluetit1802 Type 2 (in remission!) · Guru

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    Maybe Heinz does have a say in matters. It is one of the sponsors/members of the British Nutrition Foundation that advises the government on nutrition issues.

    At my initial diagnosis meeting with my (lovely) nurse, I hadn't a clue what I ought to be eating. She did the Eatwell Plate stuff and told me the best lunch was baked beans on toast. I already had that for lunch anyway so continued with it until I got a meter. :arghh: I tried the beans without the toast. :arghh: Then I found the reduced sugar ones. :arghh: I haven't eaten baked beans since. She also advised me to eat a jacket spud with baked beans. Baked beans seemed to be the answer to everything.
     
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  3. Tabbyjoolz

    Tabbyjoolz Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Heinz has its sticky fingers in official diabetes nutrition advice. :mad:
     
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  4. SWUSA_

    SWUSA_ Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I might have a spoon full of baked beans now-for desert. Baked beans tastes too sugary for me now-as well as raises my blood glucose quite rapidly. I had humus for dinner though. Some brands of humus have a lot of filler and raise my BG a lot but Sabra with roasted red peppers eaten in moderation-1 to 2 tablespoons with raw snow peas and carrots or a few (5) pita chips does not. I also eat pinto beans which I adore and lentils in lentil soup. I have a small portion of black beans with a salad sometimes.

    I am type 2, on insulin but just basal at this time-I do not bolus for anything-it is not part of my treatment plan.. I also take 3 x 500 mg metformin and baked beans would be a 2 x metformin meal for sure if I ate them anymore.
     
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  5. JMK1954

    JMK1954 Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Just fetched a tin of Heinz ' (50% less sugar) Beanz' from the cupboard. I don't eat baked beans at all but my husband likes them. Info on the label as follows:-
    Carbohydarate 9.9 per 100 g, 20.5 per half tin. With no insulin ? Rubbish. (I am type 1 diagnosed 1964.)
     
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  6. azure

    azure Type 1 · Expert

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    There was a similar query or comment from a Type 1 recently - they'd been told there was no need to bolus for baked beans. The consensus was that was incorrect.

    I'd certainly bolus for them.
     
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  7. fletchweb

    fletchweb Prefer not to say · Well-Known Member

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    Gee I had chilly last night with three different varieties of beans and I required 10 units of Humulog to take care of it. I guess they weren't those special Heinz beans. I don;t know about everyone else but I have met my fair share of crackpot dietitians over the years :)
     
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  8. dancer

    dancer Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    When diagnosed in the late 70s, I was told that two tablespoons of baked beans would be one exchange ( that's 10g carbohydrate). For years I used baked beans as one of my 4 exchanges for my evening meal, about once a week. Approximately 15 years after diagnosis, I noticed that I was going lowish or even hypo after having baked beans with dinner. I decided not to include beans in my carb total and stopped going low.

    It seems I needed insulin for beans at first, but this changed. I haven't a clue why.
     
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  9. JohnEGreen

    JohnEGreen Other · Expert

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    Wigan famous for Heinz baked beans, meat and potato pies and uncle Joe's mint balls non of which I would consider diabetes friendly but I used to like to stand outside Uncle Joe's factory and just breathe in the aroma. :)

    edit to add
    Mind you just standing there would probably put your blood sugars up.
     
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  10. Johnjoe13

    Johnjoe13 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I may be stating the obvious here but does anybody in the NHS actually know anything about diet and carbs where diabetes is concerned? I strikes me they don't or are just unable to agree. I'm wondering what happens if you are a dietitian and diabetic? Are there any that are still alive or in possession of all their limbs and eyesight? Or could it be they do not practice what they preach?
     
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  11. azure

    azure Type 1 · Expert

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    Happily, the answer to,that is Yes @Johnjoe13 :)

    When I was diagnsoed, I saw an excellent dietician who explained carb counting simply and kindly to me, which was very much appreciated. I've also seen a dietician recently and she was equally helpful.

    I'm sure some are better than others, but they're not all bad.
     
  12. Resurgam

    Resurgam Type 2 (in remission!) · Expert

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    There was one significant phrase in the entire session - 'as your diabetes progresses' - and I just sort of blanked after that.
     
  13. Daibell

    Daibell LADA · Master

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    We live in mad world and sadly dominated by the food industry lobby. They control most of the government diet/health bodies and others and fund a lot of university research. Anyone looked at the diet advice for diabetics on the British Dietetic Association web site? This is one of the professional establishments for dieticians. It sums it up. At least we understand here but I feel sorry for those diabetics taking the advice of 'experts' and the loss of limbs they might expect later in life.
     
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  14. noblehead

    noblehead Type 1 · Guru
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    I'd be very surprised, I have to take bolus for beans (we buy Branston's Baked Beans).

    That is true.

    Which course was it @Resurgam ?
     
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    Resurgam Type 2 (in remission!) · Expert

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    It was the three sessions on the NHS, arranged by Poole Hospital in Dorset.
     
  16. DavidGrahamJones

    DavidGrahamJones Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I'm currently having Hydrobaric Oxygen Therapy and breathing pure oxygen sitting in a pressurised cabin definitely makes my BG drop (thanks to FreeStyle Libre) and my BG goes up as soon as I emerge from the chamber. So you never can tell. LOL
     
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    DavidGrahamJones Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    That might be true, but as most people know, that's not all it has. Did anyone try to tell her the error of her ways? It might be what they're taught, yet can so easily be proven as absolute cods wallop if anyone happened to have a CGM or pump. Empirical evidence as it were. Poor woman, not knowing. (tongue in cheek)
     
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    That was me I was told at my DAFNE course that the beans won't affect the bg as they are slow release so no need to bolus. After trusting this advice I spiked sky high. At least I know for future..
     
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    I was told to halve the carb amount so if it was 20g for half a tin, bolus for 10g as its slow releasing . I don't bother with them anymore though because I could never get it right
     
  20. azure

    azure Type 1 · Expert

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    Fortunately, no one told me that so I've always bolused for the actual carbs : D

    I remember my carb value sheet had baked beans on too, and they were listed as actual carbs.
     
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