beans and pulses and grasses make us fart, right? so instead of the cows and sheep farting and causing global warming, we are going to to have humans doing far more farting. Isnt that going to cause the same problem with climate change and methane? and we will all have to eat a long more plant based stuff, wiping out most of the land reclaimed from not growing crops for animals?
serious question.
beans and pulses and grasses make us fart, right? so instead of the cows and sheep farting and causing global warming, we are going to to have humans doing far more farting. Isnt that going to cause the same problem with climate change and methane? and we will all have to eat a long more plant based stuff, wiping out most of the land reclaimed from not growing crops for animals?
serious question.
Twelve years, and it's not from farting it is from belching.
Actually, rice cultivation causes more damage to the environment resources than animal husbandry,Aye, the 'Redefining Protein' thaing can only be described as shennagigans.
The amount of cattle are around 1.5 billion at the moment, I wonder what an upper limit would be.I read recently that methane is carbon neutral anyway. It degrades in the atmosphere within a period of around ten years. So in other words so long as the numbers of livestock don’t meaningfully increase, methane has no impact. I’m sure it’s more complicated than that, and I don’t pretend to be an expert on the matter, but certainly it seems that, as is tradition, the farting cows argument is just more misdirection.
As I said earlier, plant matter decays and gives off methane and Co2, The amount released is the same whether in the gut of a ruminant, or a human, or even while decaying on the ground. It is a chemical process and it is the speed of reaction that may differ in each of the aforementioned reactor vessels.beans and pulses and grasses make us fart, right? so instead of the cows and sheep farting and causing global warming, we are going to to have humans doing far more farting. Isnt that going to cause the same problem with climate change and methane? and we will all have to eat a long more plant based stuff, wiping out most of the land reclaimed from not growing crops for animals?
serious question.
It seems we were typing at the same time but basically coming to the same conclusions. Great minds eh?As I said earlier, plant matter decays and gives off methane and Co2, The amount released is the same whether in the gut of a ruminant, or a human, or even while decaying on the ground. It is a chemical process and it is the speed of reaction that may differ in each of the aforementioned reactor vessels.
The real problem that we face is in the burning of fossil fuels. Leaving them buried in the rock strata is sequestration going right, using them for heat and power is releasing too much in a short space of time, and that is the cause of the greehouse effect.
The animals are not to blame - humans are......
When Eat Lancet did their science bit in the FReSH study, they added up all the transport costs and tractor costs of having animal feed grown on rainforest land after deforestation in the Amazon, tranporting it to say Europe then raising the cattle. But the figures they used for plant based agriculture had no transport costs added. So that is why the Eat Lancet report has much larger animal emissions of CO2 than grains, and is why the WHO disowned them for fiddling with their data. They deliberately distorted the resource requirements by assuming too that the Soy plantations , the Sugar Cane plantations and the ground nut plantations from deforestation lands are used for animal feed, whereas they are main ingredients in modern food and cosmetics industries.It is a diversion. Compare just the emissions from the transport industry and there is no contest. Dare I say it but compare the emission data between domesticated ruminants and vegan transport (yes, that was a pop at the Stordalen's) now there's data I'd like to see. Fossil fuels folks.
This thread seems to contain a lot of hysteria about forced reduction in meat consumption but it seems to be based on a conspiracy theory. A report recommends cutting back on meat, but that is a long way from it being forced on people. It is already happening in Canada apparently, but I can only find references to a reduction in meat consumption due to voluntary adoption of vegetarian diet, not government legislation, perhaps @NoCrbs4Me can shed some light. China aims to reduce meat production by 50% but they already produce half the world's pork and they are investing heavily in beef production in the US. Even in that totalitarian state there are no laws about eating meat. Just imagine the resistance to: Americans or Australians prevented from eating steaks and burgers, Germans, Austrians and Czechs prevented from eating pork, the French prevented from eating lamb and duck etc etc. There are no doubt invested interests in the agricultural industry but there is also a very large and powerful livestock and poultry industry.
I used to have your optimism and thought the same way too, but events have moved on since then. Conspiracy implies secret or hidden agenda. This report that you dismiss so lightly is available on the Lancet website, the EAT Lancet website and has been reported on by most of the worlds media.This thread seems to contain a lot of hysteria about forced reduction in meat consumption but it seems to be based on a conspiracy theory. A report recommends cutting back on meat, but that is a long way from it being forced on people. It is already happening in Canada apparently, but I can only find references to a reduction in meat consumption due to voluntary adoption of vegetarian diet, not government legislation, perhaps @NoCrbs4Me can shed some light. China aims to reduce meat production by 50% but they already produce half the world's pork and they are investing heavily in beef production in the US. Even in that totalitarian state there are no laws about eating meat. Just imagine the resistance to: Americans or Australians prevented from eating steaks and burgers, Germans, Austrians and Czechs prevented from eating pork, the French prevented from eating lamb and duck etc etc. There are no doubt invested interests in the agricultural industry but there is also a very large and powerful livestock and poultry industry.
That was due to the outbreak of African Swine Fever.They will cull their herds as is happening in China to their pork industry, bulldozed into the ground.
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