To resign or to get sacked?!

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As ridiculous as this sounds it could well push a few of us into a corner at some point. I see in the news today some idiotic Government minister whose name conveniently doesn't appear in the article, has allegedly suggested that schools could reopen after Easter and that the closure of schools could be more damaging than the virus itself. Clearly someone who doesn't have to work in one!!

I do - and as a type 2 diabetic with high blood pressure, albeit relatively well controlled with meds, I, as many of you are in this group with seemingly very little advice. Not in the top high risk group but certainly not advised to go and plant a kiss on the first person you see!!

So a dilemma, which could be applied to any line of work. If (and I would be very surprised if they did) they did ask schools to reopen after Easter where would you stand as an employee who wouldn't want to take the risk? Schools are petri dishes at the best of times and most of our students come in via taxi, more petri dishes!! I'm not in the top high risk group so how would that go down with my rights to stay away, if indeed I have any? Regarding Universal Credit I believe resigning, in normal times, meant that you didn't qualify and again I'm not sure being sacked even qualifies you to receive such benefit?

Obviously these aren't normal times and one would hope that the school would show a duty of care and certain staff would not be forced back, but what if they were? What would you do?
 
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Do not resign. You need to see what the situation is. You haven't forgotten the minister's name, it isn't given, possibly good reason to question the source.

Speaking to the Times, the unnamed senior Minister claimed: "We need to be led by the science, of course.

"But if we can reopen schools after the Easter holidays things could begin to get back to normal. It could kick-start the economy."

There has so far been no official suggestion of an end to lockdown, with Dominic Raab saying they would make decisions based on the scientific evidence of Covid-19 infections.

Kids going back to school is going to kick start the economy? Doesn't the economy need a work force? Try not to worry and hold your horses. We are nowhere near the peak of this thing.
 
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Kids going back to school is going to kick start the economy? Doesn't the economy need a work force?

Kids going back to school would mean the workforce could go back to school -- oops, work -- once their kids are back in school, with teachers, librarians, cleaners, who are all members of the workforce.
 
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"But if we can reopen schools after the Easter holidays things could begin to get back to normal. It could kick-start the economy."

Been reading this particular sentence. Making kids go back to school is never going to make things get back to normal, I think it's stupid to suggest such a thing. This virus is in charge not some minister, unnamed or otherwise, making kids go back to school.

Please be very careful reading newspapers, they haven't really had much to write about for a while because it's just more of the same. Sadly more people have become sick, sadly people have died, and sadly the recovered column on the Covid 19 score board never gets updated.
 

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Kids going back to school would mean the workforce could go back to school once their kids are back in school, with teachers, librarians, cleaners, who are all members of the workforce.

I'm assuming you mean the workforce can go back to work.

Obviously the school workforce would be required and I'm guessing some of them are still working anyway. Kids going back to school would not mean a complete return to work for everyone. Academic anyway because I don't think it's going to happen any time soon. I'd like to think I was wrong, but statistically, who knows?

I'm just hearing on the BBC that the number of daily deaths has unfortunately increased, we still have a long way to go.
 

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@Max68 . Definitely resign. No body wants to be sacked.

Constructive dismissal.

Sure to be more then a few cases at the end of this.

Diabetes is specified as at risk
No clarification of type or control .

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...protecting-older-people-and-vulnerable-adults

See social distancing.
Working from home
Unlikely in your current role I guess,
But possibly a transfer of responsibilities to shield you if not at home then at work better, with less social interaction.. Thinking heads office etc.

Think of all the things you can offer up now so when that conversation Comes you are offering as practical an option
as possible while adding the the correct level of protection for you.

The employer HAS duty off care.

That is legal terminology, and has not been superceded because of covid.
It still applies.

You might still get sacked or have to resign
But your case for constructive dismissal will be much stronger.....better unemployed then dead.
All of this is just good old risk assessment.

Except if the fool next you, gets it wrong it could affect your whole family.


As said above, is unlikely death rate rising, peak not in sight yet, curve only potentially flattening.
Wales stated their lock down to continue..

Can't imagine UK wasting all the effort so far to go full on trump.."it's just flu"...:hilarious:


And Even trump is starting to get this now the body bags are mounting up across the US.

Hope it doesn't come to that for you.
But a possible plan.
 
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@jjraak . Obviously another option for the OP to consider. My response was to the two options offered up.
 

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As a parent I don’t want to send my child back to school for a good while yet. If they reopen and I don’t I’m committing a criminal offence.

It would be far more disruptive to open and close and open and close them bouncing along the peaks of the illness. Parents, workers, teachers have found solutions to school closures for now. Let’s just keep it as it is until a proper and safe lifting of the restrictions can take place.
 
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As a parent I don’t want to send my child back to school for a good while yet. If they reopen and I don’t I’m committing a criminal offence.

It would be far more disruptive to open and close and open and close them bouncing along the peaks of the illness. Parents, workers, teachers have found solutions to school closures for now. Let’s just keep it as it is until a proper and safe lifting of the restrictions can take place.

Fully agree .

Isn't that what forced the govt to even close schools in the first place.?

That are Constantly running behind the curve.
Making policy in reaction to facts on the ground
Rather then shaping coherent policies in the first place

That as you outline, should I hope be a real cause for concern at any meeting where schools reopenings were considered..
 

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Good replies all. Hopefully it won't come to it and it's just an unnamed busy body making a silly comment. Can't see it happening myself but if it did would be very interesting legally and what organisation wants deaths on their conscience? Can see once this is over several types of employment looking into it legally because they do not have the appropriate equipment such as NHS staff and the bus drivers.
 

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just an unnamed busy body making a silly comment
I've got a feeling that there is some exploration going on for palatability. Will the population like/support it or not? So as with other responses take your time, this is a long game.
 

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As a parent I don’t want to send my child back to school for a good while yet. If they reopen and I don’t I’m committing a criminal offence.

It would be far more disruptive to open and close and open and close them bouncing along the peaks of the illness. Parents, workers, teachers have found solutions to school closures for now. Let’s just keep it as it is until a proper and safe lifting of the restrictions can take place.

Sounds like a good idea. I just wish the parents where I live would realize it is now Spring Break week (formerly known as the Easter Holidays) and let their poor kids get offline for a while so the Internet can speed up again to keep us all in touch-at-a-social-distance.
 

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Sounds like a good idea. I just wish the parents where I live would realize it is now Spring Break week (formerly known as the Easter Holidays) and let their poor kids get offline for a while so the Internet can speed up again to keep us all in touch-at-a-social-distance.
Do you have kids? Teenagers? Getting online is what they do in the holidays! :) Don’t think many parents have to force their kids into it - not like they can go play ball in the park instead is it- more like drag them off of it
 

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The way I see it is... You are going to get covid anyway... It has been clearly stated more than 80 percent will get it... Social distancing is only to prevent too many cases at once so that the NHS can cope with the rate of admission.

So whether schools reopen now or in 12 months the chances are we will suffer this virus the only other real chance we have as time passes is that a vaccine is developed

The only thing I can imagine is going through their heads at the moment is that as NHS capacity is increased as facilities open like nightingale and voluntary NHS staff come back so we can afford a few more cases now?
 
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The way I see it is... You are going to get covid anyway... It has been clearly stated more than 80 percent will get it... Social distancing is only to prevent too many cases at once so that the NHS can cope with the rate of admission.

So whether schools reopen now or in 12 months the chances are we will suffer this virus the only other real chance we have as time passes is that a vaccine is developed

The only thing I can imagine is going through their heads at the moment is that as NHS capacity is increased as facilities open like nightingale and voluntary NHS staff come back so we can afford a few more cases now?
You may well be right but if it’s all the same to you I’ll go to the back of the queue thanks, along with my family, and wait quietly for the vaccine and treatments to be developed and let those impatient get it over with go right to the front.
 

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Obviously these aren't normal times and one would hope that the school would show a duty of care and certain staff would not be forced back, but what if they were? What would you do?

Not sure how much power unions have in the UK now, but if I were you. I'd make sure I was in one....
 
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You may well be right but if it’s all the same to you I’ll go to the back of the queue thanks, along with my family, and wait quietly for the vaccine and treatments to be developed and let those impatient get it over with go right to the front.


Dont disagree with the sentiment, but unfortunately many people will be financially destitute if they refuse to work when restrictions are lifted. The moment things start opening up again any one not wishing to work won't be paid, I could not pay my mortgage and couldn't even claim job seekers universal credit becuase im refusing to look for a job.

At some point it's very likely were all going to have to get back to normal before a vaccine is available unless you happen to be able to survive without an income. Also I can't imagine what would it would be like for kids to be trapped inside without seeing their friends and socialising for the next 6 months to maybe a year?

It's a horrible situation but one the vast majority of the population are going to have to out up with as the consequences of not are worse and more far reaching then the relatively low risk short term (unless stour in the super high risk group in which case I suspect continued shielding will be permitted)

Either way the world will be watching closely in Wuhan as that will be an example of how things move on.