Troubles with LCHF

[pavlosn]

The thing is akindrat18, it's a lot harder to binge eat when you're having only 30-50 g carbs a day.

Unfortunately it is also hard to have only 30-50 g carbs a day, when you binge eat.

 

[Dillinger]

OK, good stuff above; you said that you liked eggs; use them then to help you kick start all this. Eggs are a wonder food and you can eat them in any way and in pretty much any quantity you want.

I used to drink diet coke because I, like you, thought that it was benign. I stopped almost accidentally and then a few months later drank a can and felt like I was on drugs; the caffeine and the chemical **** in it really hit me as I wasn't used to it. Just say 'no' !

On booze; try vodka and slimline tonic as that is no-carb and low calorie as well. Lager is a killer; it's full of weirdly behaving carbs (you go high and then drop hence the existence of kebab shops) and is by it's nature moorish.

Low-carb (Bernstein style) for 2 weeks. Only think about it in terms of doing it for those 2 weeks; then see whether you want to continue at the end of it. That's from today until the 11th December. Hardly any time at all...

Up and at 'em.

Dillinger

 

[jack412]

depends what you binge on, you wont be hungry and you can binge on veggies meats and fats with a LCHF diet
eat cocoa chocolate coconut balls, all day long, if you want to
https://www.google.com.au/#q=LC+cocoa+coconut+balls

 

[pavlosn]

depends what you binge on, you wont be hungry and you can binge on veggies meats and fats with a LCHF diet
eat cocoa chocolate coconut balls, all day long, if you want to

I can't imagine anyone binging on fats.

Binge eating to my mind is all about comfort foods and I interpret that as carbs particularly sugar.

 

[jack412]

I can't imagine anyone binging on fats.

Binge eating to my mind is all about comfort foods and I interpret that as carbs particularly sugar.

somehow I get the idea that you really don't know anything about LCHF diets
https://www.google.com.au/#q=LC cocoa coconut balls
https://www.google.com.au/#q=LCHF+cocoa+coconut+balls

 

[izzzi]

@zand So glad you did not put that coat on,

 

[pavlosn]

@pavlosn I needed counselling to help me get over my trauma, sometimes it just goes so deep we don't know it is still there controlling us. It isn't always something you can get past, despite seeming to outwardly, deep down it is still there and I needed help to understand this and recover from it. I don't believe akindrat's problem is simply lack of willpower I believe his weight is a coping mechanism, he has invested a lot in it, it is hard to let it go. It is scary even though it's something you really want to do. I've been there. My weight loss stopped at the end of the Summer because there was something 'blocking it'., I am hoping that now I will start to lose again.

The thing is akindrat18, it's a lot harder to binge eat when you're having only 30-50 g carbs a day.

@zand
I am not sure how much I subscribe to these talk of something subconsciously blocking us from doing something but that is possibly because I have no relevant experience on which to draw on.

You are obviously convinced by it so I defer to your superior knowledge.

Pavlos

 

[pavlosn]

somehow I get the idea that you really don't know anything about LCHF diets
https://www.google.com.au/#q=LC cocoa coconut balls
https://www.google.com.au/#q=LCHF+cocoa+coconut+balls

That's ok because somehow I get the idea that you do not know much about binge eating.

 

[CollieBoy]

(you go high and then drop hence the existence of kebab shops) and is by it's nature moorish.

This gave me a mental picture of the kebab shop folks swanning about in turbans & pantaloons a-la North Africa/Spain and cutting the kbaps with curved scimitars, then thought: that should be more-ish not moorish!

 

[zand]

@zand
I am not sure how much I subscribe to these talk of something subconsciously blocking us from doing something but that is possibly because I have no relevant experience on which to draw on.

You are obviously convinced by it so I defer to your superior knowledge.

Pavlos

I wouldn't say it's 'superior' knowledge pavlos, just something I've talked about with my counsellor. We'll see if it's true in the coming weeks and months won't we?

 

[izzzi]

depends what you binge on, you wont be hungry and you can binge on veggies meats and fats with a LCHF diet
eat cocoa chocolate coconut balls, all day long, if you want to
https://www.google.com.au/#q=LC cocoa coconut balls

Binge is a eating disorder. I don't think that forms part of the LCHF diet.

 

[pavlosn]

I wouldn't say it's 'superior' knowledge pavlos, just something I've talked about with my counsellor. We'll see if it's true in the coming weeks and months won't we?

@zand
I hope it is sorted whatever it is.

I was not bring ironic in my comment on any way, by the way and I hope I did not come across that way.

It's just that something I can not relate to.

Pavlos

 

[zand]

somehow I get the idea that you really don't know anything about LCHF diets
https://www.google.com.au/#q=LC cocoa coconut balls
https://www.google.com.au/#q=LCHF cocoa coconut balls

That's ok because somehow I get the idea that you do not know much about binge eating.

Now you two......I know about both of these things!

This is my experience. I cut carbs and every time I wanted to binge eat I would eat something with no carbs or very low carbs, I didn't deny myself food when I wanted it. I didn't limit quantities, just carbs. I found the urge to binge stopped. Bingeing was no longer 'bad' or comforting and therefore not a good way of punishing myself/comforting myself. Food gradually started to become simply nutrition for me. Yes I have had blips. Starting counselling was tough and I don't like the term 'I fell off the wagon' then, because actually it was progress for me as I got to understand myself more, but for a while LCHF wasn't the most important thing to focus on.....but hey, I'm back now.

 

[phoenix]

I was looking back over your posts . I really feel that you need this sort of help and you should grab it as an opportunity and try to work with people who have some experience and who meet you face to face.
I looked at the site and it seems to offer a lot of support . It mentions working with you to devise an individualised plan. Presumably they are also providing specialist medical support since you have diabetes. Your plan should be one that you agree to , believe in and believe you can achieve. When you've got a plan in place maybe the blog you suggested might be a place to share some of your targets/plan and get support from others (though i would urge you to talk through that idea with your ED counsellor first.)
There are a lot of people who want you to succeed but you also don't want to be pulled in two directions with people offering advice that may be contrary to the plan you're working to.

 

[zand]

@zand
I hope it is sorted whatever it is.

I was not bring ironic in my comment on any way, by the way and I hope I did not come across that way.

It's just that something I can not relate to.

Pavlos

I realise that Pavlos, I understood what you meant

 

[pavlosn]

Binge is a eating disorder. I don't think that forms part of the LCHF diet.

My point exactly.

I do not think that when you decide to binge you go through the rational thought process of selecting the best food for you.

You probably reach for the one that is most readily available and that will give you the most instant fix.

In most case that probably is the deadly but highly addictive and pleasurable combination of high fat high carb. Cakes, chips, etc etc

Pavlos

 

[zand]

My point exactly.

I do not think that when you decide to binge you go through the rational thought process of selecting the best food for you.

You probably reach for the one that is most readily available and that will give you the most instant fix.

In most case that probably is the deadly but highly addictive and pleasurable combination of high fat high carb. Cakes, chips, etc etc

Pavlos

Yes but you can stop doing this by not having the high fat high carb things readily available and having lots of filling alternatives like nuts and cheese. If the nearest thing is cheese, then it's cheese you binge on. There's a limit to how much protein and fat you can consume at one time. And like I said counselling helps. Well, that's how it worked for me, maybe it's me being weird again, huh?

It's for this reason that I believe LCHF is probably the right diet for akindrat. No ration to the amount of food, at least to start with. I think any plan that includes moderate carbs is possibly doomed to failure because akindrat won't have kicked the carb habit, and it's so easy to turn moderate carbs into high carbs, into a binge. Been there done that. When I virtually cut them out (30g-50g) I didn't get these urges to binge and gradually my tastes changed.

 

[pavlosn]

That's ok because somehow I get the idea that you do not know much about binge eating.

@jack412

I apologize for this comment.

I usually enjoy arguing a point with someone holding an opposite view. Through discussion usually comes better understanding.

I fear though that perhaps our arguments today have gone beyond what is perhaps desirable.

I accept my responsibility for this and hope that we want let it stop us from exchanging views in the future

I value your contributions, even if I do not agree with everything you say, but this is why such forums are useful so that we can listen to different views and challenge our own preconceptions.

Best regards

Pavlos

 

[jack412]

Binge is a eating disorder. I don't think that forms part of the LCHF diet.

my close relative had an eating disorder all her life and finished up with bariatric surgery, so I probably know more than the average person about it
it's better to binge on LCHF than to binge on carb
this is on 5,000 calories a day

 

[akindrat18]

OK, good stuff above; you said that you liked eggs; use them then to help you kick start all this. Eggs are a wonder food and you can eat them in any way and in pretty much any quantity you want.

I used to drink diet coke because I, like you, thought that it was benign. I stopped almost accidentally and then a few months later drank a can and felt like I was on drugs; the caffeine and the chemical **** in it really hit me as I wasn't used to it. Just say 'no' !

On booze; try vodka and slimline tonic as that is no-carb and low calorie as well. Lager is a killer; it's full of weirdly behaving carbs (you go high and then drop hence the existence of kebab shops) and is by it's nature moorish.

Low-carb (Bernstein style) for 2 weeks. Only think about it in terms of doing it for those 2 weeks; then see whether you want to continue at the end of it. That's from today until the 11th December. Hardly any time at all...

Up and at 'em.

Dillinger

I love eggs no matter which way they are cooked. I also love to eat all types of meat, fish and veg, except for avocado as i've tried it and I did not like it at all. I like double cream in my morning decaf coffee and don't need sugar or sweetner for the taste, I also like squirty cream and recently found one by Anchor that is extra thick and is lovely with berries and seeds.

There is only so much cooking that I can do my student flat kitchen as I only have a frying pan, saucepan, baking tray and roasting tray. I am intending on buying the nutribullet in the new year as my next student finance payment is paid on January 5th and after paying my halls fee I will have just over £1000 to sustain me till April, plus whatever xmas money I get off my family

As for alcohol, i'm a lover of Coors Light and Jack Daniels Tennessee Honey.