Type 2 and alcohol

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I am new to the site so forgive me if I am not doing this correctly.
I am concerned about my husbands type 2 and alcohol. Having monitored for a while, If my husband has any mo0re than three pints of lager or cider he then seems to get extremely drunk very quickly. I can even see the change occur before my eyes over about ten minutes. I know he shouldn't be drinking too much but three pints doesn't seem excessive to me. What happens is when I notice the change emerge I tell him he needs to stop drinking at that point but by then the alcohol has taken over his senses and so we argue. Any comments/help would be appreciated
 
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Hi @ValerieMT Three pints of lager or cider may not be excessive to a regular person, but he has diabetes so that is a big hit of liquid carbohydrates/sugar. Alcohol can also distract the liver so cause a drop in blood sugar levels. There may be more than drunkenness going on to affect his behaviour, but that is no excuse for upsetting you as it can be predicted. Is he on any medication or injections?
 
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It may not be just the alcohol but also about the carbs - beer and lager are carb dense and like drinking liquid bread. He may be getting high blood sugar whilst drinking this type of drink adding to his "grumpiness" see if he will drink a couple of glasses of red wine, dry white wine or spirits with diet mixers and see if that changes anything.

By the way welcome to the forum I have tagged @daisy1 who posts some great info for newcomers - hope you stick around, the forum is full of very knowledgeable people who are always happy to help :)
 
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There may be long term damage but I guess he knows that. Also there are many beers and lagers which can get someone very drunk with just three pints. A beer of 5% used to be unusual but not any more and I can assure you that 3 pints would put you way way over the limit. If it comes in a tin or a bottle it will have the percentage of alcohol on it somewhere. I suggest a weaker brew.
 
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Welcome to the forum :)

Ask him if he will do an experiment with you - tell him to drink his usual beer quantity but test his BG every 15 minutes so you can both see how it's affecting him but also carry on testing after he's finished drinking. A former work colleague of mine did just that and was so shocked that he has never drunk beer again.
 
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Hi @ValerieMT. 3 pints of lager or cider might not be excessive to many drinkers, especially some of the guys I used to work with. I used to drink 3-4 pints of beer most nights too. But it's not good for Type 2 diabetics, especially the cider which is likely to be high in sugars.
I think my drinking contributed to my T2 diagnosis. It increased the fat around my middle which I believe would also have increased the visceral fat around my liver and pancreas impairing their functioning.
I don't know whether the T2 made me drunk more quickly or not, and I don't get argumentative when drunk, as far as I know, so I can't comment on that.
I have switched to drinking wine mainly, red in the winter and chilled white in the summer which I don't think effects my weight so much.
 
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There may be long term damage but I guess he knows that. Also there are many beers and lagers which can get someone very drunk with just three pints. A beer of 5% used to be unusual but not any more and I can assure you that 3 pints would put you way way over the limit. If it comes in a tin or a bottle it will have the percentage of alcohol on it somewhere. I suggest a weaker brew.
 

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Hi All,
Thank you for your comments, and for being so welcoming. He takes metformin 500mg in the mornings only. I understand now, that three pints is probably too much, but I am now confused - does this alcohol cause the blood sugar levels to spike or drop, I guess drop? Thinking back I believe the same has happened with wine. He has agreed to the testing when we go out later, but he is so very considerate and understanding whilst sober. We will see. Should he eat more carbs before drinking? I don't want to make a fuss and suggest stopping drinking I just want it to be enjoyable like it used to be
 

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With beer it goes up - many people call beer liquid bread or liquid toast.

Some other alcoholic drinks can make it go down.
 

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To my mind any one who becomes argumentative or aggressive when drunk simply should not drink to excess. Especially if it upsets his/her partner.

As far as his diabetes goes beers and cider are high in carbs and should be avoided I stick like many others here to wine and maybe the tot of whisky or other spirit as they are low in sugars Mixers should be treated with caution also as they can be sugary..
 
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I am now confused - does this alcohol cause the blood sugar levels to spike or drop

The bear contains a lot of carbs from the malted barley, as these are cooked at part of the process the carbs gets broken down into sugars, some of these a used my the yeast to make the alcohol, the test are left behind to make the bear wonderful .

So bear is a mix of sugars and alcohol.
  1. Clearly the sugars put up the BG very quickly.
  2. The body then responds with insulin to lower the BG, very likely two much insulin.
  3. After some time the BG comes down to below normal levels.
  4. As the liver is processing the alcohol it is already working very hard, so can't bring the BG up to the correct level.
Sweet cider and wines are the same, but dry wines and spirits have few carbs/sugars in them.

As the liver converts all alcohol into fat, and a lot of these fats remain in the liver, this results in the liver not being able to control BG as well as it could otherwise. So all alcohol is bad for us, but alcohol with lots of carbs is much worse.
 
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Hi All,
Thank you for your comments, and for being so welcoming. He takes metformin 500mg in the mornings only. I understand now, that three pints is probably too much, but I am now confused - does this alcohol cause the blood sugar levels to spike or drop, I guess drop? Thinking back I believe the same has happened with wine. He has agreed to the testing when we go out later, but he is so very considerate and understanding whilst sober. We will see. Should he eat more carbs before drinking? I don't want to make a fuss and suggest stopping drinking I just want it to be enjoyable like it used to be
There is sugar in beer and lager. There is less sugar in wine and the stronger the wine the less the sugar. Initially those sugars will cause a rise in blood sugar and it is not possible to say by how much since I have never met someone who stops at just the one pint.

The liver is the organ that processes the alcohol and while it is doing that it won't provide sugar if the patient starts to go low. Low blood sugar is therefore one of the symptoms of a hangover for everyone and not just diabetics.

In my opinion Metformin will not make any difference in your circumstances. If a stronger medication or insulin is involved it can be **** up country.
 
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A pint of cider - estimating the carbs at 5 or 6 percent, is going to be over 25gm of carb, so the impact of three or four pints just from the carbs is going to be quite a hit, but the liver is going to be busy dealing with the alcohol on top of that, so it is no wonder that there is a change in behaviour.
I have seen a couple of really nasty incidents kick off over the years, and none of them finished well, so I think you need to have serious words with your husband. If he knows how drink affects him there is no defence, no excuse for continuing.
When someone is badly affected by drink there can be real Jekyll and Hyde changes, and the nicer the Jekyll, the worse, it seems the Hyde character.
 
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@ValerieMT

Hello Valerie and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

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On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
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Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

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The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
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  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
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Hi All

I am new to the site so forgive me if I am not doing this correctly.
I am concerned about my husbands type 2 and alcohol. Having monitored for a while, If my husband has any mo0re than three pints of lager or cider he then seems to get extremely drunk very quickly. I can even see the change occur before my eyes over about ten minutes. I know he shouldn't be drinking too much but three pints doesn't seem excessive to me. What happens is when I notice the change emerge I tell him he needs to stop drinking at that point but by then the alcohol has taken over his senses and so we argue. Any comments/help would be appreciated

Very often, when a diabetic experiences a hypo (very low blood sugars) the symptoms and attitude are the same as someone very drunk. It is easy and common for observers to think a diabetic hypo-ing person is drunk. I suggest this is what may be happening to your husband. The beer or cider will spike his levels initially, and then they will drop quickly and will probably drop too low.

I agree that it will be a good idea to test every 15 to 30 minutes from first sip and especially when he starts to appear drunk. Red wine has virtually no carbs, similarly most spirits (with sugar-free mixers) and both are far more sensible choices for diabetics.
 
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