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A reminder today I've much to learn ...

Feeling a bit low (mood not bloods!) so thought I'd go to the local 'sugar free' bakery http://romeossugarfreebakery.com/ - blood was 5.7 before going.

Had good chat with staff, they use coconut flour etc, they did stay it wasn't carb free but after a discussion I felt happy. I chose vegan cheesecake (not much choice). It was really tasty - one hour later, I'm at a whopping 10.2! Guess I won't be going there again and sugar free doesn't mean carb free!
@PenfoldAPD stick to what is and has been working for you. Never mind new concepts.
You have the winning formula. Just use it and abuse it.
I made the same mistake of adding more fat to lchf and my weight loss disappeared. In fact I added. Too many calories, I guess.
You know what works for you, enjoy it and celebrate you have found it so soon. ;)
 
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Wow. Another diabetic with inflammation as a problem. It seems part and parcel with diabetes, for some.
I believe alot of research in inflammatory conditions are going on.
Im happy to look out for their findings.
If you look at @daisy1 's signature i believe there is a link to her info.
Have you seen this? He's a controversial figure, so I'm not claiming to know whether it's true or not, but it's certainly interesting...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mercola/the-cholesterol-myth-that_b_676817.html
It's a bit long-winded, but worth a read.
:)
 
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@PenfoldAPD stick to what is and has been working for you. Never mind new concepts.
You have the winning formula. Just use it and abuse it.
I made the same mistake of adding more fat to lchf and my weight loss disappeared. In fact I added. Too many calories, I guess.
You know what works for you, enjoy it and celebrate you have found it so soon. ;)

Sometimes I need excitement in my life ... and thought it was going to be sugar free vegan cheesecake LOL

Clearly I need to just stick to enjoy the cheese, without the cake :):):)
 
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I've had a few 'funny turns' this week (no, I don't mean comedians! :D)..........

Sunday morning, yesterday and this morning my FBGs were within range, but had risen to the mid 8s by the time I had my breakfast. Shortly after breakfast each day (Sun: fruit and Greek yoghurt, Mon: buttered spelt toast half a banana and some redcurrants, today: boiled egg and buttered spelt toast - so nothing I don't have normally) I began to feel very shaky and tearful.

As it seemed to be becoming a bit of a pattern, yesterday and today I tested +2pp and discovered that my bp had dropped significantly for me (diastolic was below the safe range and systolic just above it), pulse was high, and my BGs had leapt to the mid 10s.

The feeling lasts for about an hour and by +3pp my BG is back about where I'd expect it to be and my bp rises but is still lower than usual.

What do you reckon causes that, then? Could it be the antibiotics, or something else? Anybody experienced anything similar?
 

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Sometimes I need excitement in my life ... and thought it was going to be sugar free vegan cheesecake LOL

Clearly I need to just stick to enjoy the cheese, without the cake :):):)

Penfold, where were your bloods at the 2 hour mark? Many, including non-diabetics can have a rise, at the 60-90 minute mark, then snap back into range by two hours.

Whilst a 10 isn't great for the ego, I wouldn't, on a one-off, consider it a disaster. Another thing to remember is that our bodies run to routines, so giving it a bit of a one-off carb-hit can result in a more extreme reading than you might find if the experiment were to be repeated.

Honestly, the way you like to explore, I would suggest you strongly consider a couple of Libre sensors. They can begin to give you a true insight into what goes on in the background with your body.

If you have a suitable Android phone, or an iPhone 6 or later, you don't even have to buy a reader, as sensors can be activated and read via the app, then shared with whomever (I assume using an email).

Each sensor is c£50, with the reader (if you need/want one) about the same. I'd suggest a minimum of 2 sensors so that you can benchmark yourself with the first, then maybe be a little more adventurous with the other, although a single week of benchmarking may be enough if you're fairly stable.

I started using the Libre (only part-time) after probably 18 months of diagnosis, but I still learned a huge amount about my body. I haven't encountered a single person who learned nothing from their investment.

I have no intention of using the Libre full-time unless my condition changes, but the odd time, just helps reassure me I'm on track.
 

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Penfold, where were your bloods at the 2 hour mark? Many, including non-diabetics can have a rise, at the 60-90 minute mark, then snap back into range by two hours.

Whilst a 10 isn't great for the ego, I wouldn't, on a one-off, consider it a disaster. Another thing to remember is that our bodies run to routines, so giving it a bit of a one-off carb-hit can result in a more extreme reading than you might find if the experiment were to be repeated.

Honestly, the way you like to explore, I would suggest you strongly consider a couple of Libre sensors. They can begin to give you a true insight into what goes on in the background with your body.

If you have a suitable Android phone, or an iPhone 6 or later, you don't even have to buy a reader, as sensors can be activated and read via the app, then shared with whomever (I assume using an email).

Each sensor is c£50, with the reader (if you need/want one) about the same. I'd suggest a minimum of 2 sensors so that you can benchmark yourself with the first, then maybe be a little more adventurous with the other, although a single week of benchmarking may be enough if you're fairly stable.

I started using the Libre (only part-time) after probably 18 months of diagnosis, but I still learned a huge amount about my body. I haven't encountered a single person who learned nothing from their investment.

I have no intention of using the Libre full-time unless my condition changes, but the odd time, just helps reassure me I'm on track.

I was down to 7.8 at the 2 hour mark. Thanks for the info on the Libre, I was talking to someone recently who had just got one and it had changed his life. I have an iPhone 7 so guess I don't need to buy the reader - website only mentions android? I swim for 30 minutes every day but their website says that should be ok - there is lots of good info on their website. And I've always heard great reports on here.

Maybe the £29 a week is putting me off. But maybe it's worth it - I guess that is aspect that I struggle with. I already resent spending money on testing strips.

Much food for thought and I appreciate your advice, thank you @AndBreathe :)

Edited to add: the test will also be tomorrow morning I guess. When I've eating excess carbs it tends to hang around, so an up and down to a 10 isn't too bad, but I then struggle for days to have a decent FBG
 
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@Erin gliclazide stopped working for me too. Too much insulin resistance caused it. Gliclazide helps you produce MORE insulin and for an insulin resistant sufferer it can cause highs.
Speak to your dn for advice with your high bgs.
Liver dumps do happen throughout the day not just approaching dawn.
Low carb foods and less insulin being made will bring your bgs down. Don't reduce your meds without speaking to nurse or dr first thou.


Thank you for your post ickihun. I will tell my doctor about the spread of glyclazide over the day. The brochure from the Pharmacy does indicate to make changes according to what your doctor advises. As for insulin, I think I am not yet ready yet as my dose is 120 and can go up to 370. So, I hope I have some years yet and insulin does have the side effect of hypoglycemia. Thanks again.
 
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I was down to 7.8 at the 2 hour mark. Thanks for the info on the Libre, I was talking to someone recently who had just got one and it had changed his life. I have an iPhone 7 so guess I don't need to buy the reader - website only mentions android? I swim for 30 minutes every day but their website says that should be ok - there is lots of good info on their website. And I've always heard great reports on here.

Maybe the £29 a week is putting me off. But maybe it's worth it - I guess that is aspect that I struggle with. I already resent spending money on testing strips.

Much food for thought and I appreciate your advice, thank you @AndBreathe :)

Edited to add: the test will also be tomorrow morning I guess. When I've eating excess carbs it tends to hang around, so an up and down to a 10 isn't too bad, but I then struggle for days to have a decent FBG

Penfold, if you look on this site, you will see the later Apple phones have the required technology. If you go to the App store, and search for LibreLink. It doesn't come up for me as I'm still on a 5s.

£29 is only a bottle of wine in a wine bar or restaurant.

I'm not suggesting for an instant that go go with it full time. I doubt you would really get a massive benefit from that. I now use one about every quarter just to see how I'm doing. You can order as many or as few as you like. It's not a subscription service.

Fingers crossed for you tomorrow morning.
 

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Thank you for your post ickihun. I will tell my doctor about the spread of glyclazide over the day. The brochure from the Pharmacy does indicate to make changes according to what your doctor advises. As for insulin, I think I am not yet ready yet as my dose is 120 and can go up to 370. So, I hope I have some years yet and insulin does have the side effect of hypoglycemia. Thanks again.

Erin, Gliclazide can lead to hypos too. I'm sure it'll confirm that on your patient information leaflet.

Do you drive at all? If you do, you need to ensure you're testing enough.
 
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Sometimes I need excitement in my life ... and thought it was going to be sugar free vegan cheesecake LOL

Clearly I need to just stick to enjoy the cheese, without the cake :):):)
Try crushed pork scratchings as a base for your cheesecake hun ;)
 

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Hi @Rose88 - My Mother was Diabetic (type 2) and she could not take the standard Metformin or the Slow Release Metformin as it would trigger off her Diverticulitis and cause Severe Diarrhoea. But, she had no problem being on Gliclazide.
I know what you mean about Insulin - I have been using Humulin i Insulin for 3 years and it was in the fist year that I put a stone on in weight. And that 'stone' has proven impossible to loose.
I 'm taking the Forxiga 5mg for the second time (had a 10 month break) as my HBA1C shot up to 76 after taking Strong Pain Relief since before Christmas.
A lot of Forum Members follow the LCHF Diet (Low Carb High Fat) as it helps to lower Blood Sugars, HBA1C and loose weight. Click on below and have a look:

http://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/60-seconds
http://www.dietdoctor.com/LCHF
 
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I have Asperger Syndrome which is an autism spectrum condition and a full diagnosis of Adult ADHD which are characterised by impairments in social communication, social interaction and social imagination. I also have a rigid and somewhat unpredictable routine. I also experience obsessive rituals, some a bit overwhelming. But I have a talent in articulate creative writing skills and possess a photographic rote memory. I have sensory sensitivity and get upset by loud noises, bright colours or lights, and notice the texture and consistency of certain foods more making my dietary choices extremely limited or restricted to certain food components. I dislike conflict and lies. The Adult ADHD also makes me very moody and cross.
Much love and big hugs to you, @debrasue, thinking of you and praying for you this day, now and for ever. I wouldn't be where I am if it wasn't for lovely people like you, take care, my lovely friend and get well soon x X x
 
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Much love and big hugs to you, @debrasue, thinking of you and praying for you this day, now and for ever. I wouldn't be where I am if it wasn't for lovely people like you, take care, my lovely friend and get well soon x X x
Awww, thanks Johnny- I really appreciate that! Hope you're well and still doing brilliantly. Hugs x
 

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Hi @Rose88 - My Mother was Diabetic (type 2) and she could not take the standard Metformin or the Slow Release Metformin as it would trigger off her Diverticulitis and cause Severe Diarrhoea. But, she had no problem being on Gliclazide.
I know what you mean about Insulin - I have been using Humulin i Insulin for 3 years and it was in the fist year that I put a stone on in weight. And that 'stone' has proven impossible to loose.
I 'm taking the Forxiga 5mg for the second time (had a 10 month break) as my HBA1C shot up to 76 after taking Strong Pain Relief since before Christmas.
A lot of Forum Members follow the LCHF Diet (Low Carb High Fat) as it helps to lower Blood Sugars, HBA1C and loose weight. Click on below and have a look:

http://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/60-seconds
http://www.dietdoctor.com/LCHF

Its such a shame that some health conditions and medications raise our blood sugars and then we have to take even more medication to help bring the hbA1c down ... its an ongoing battle isnt it.
Hope youre feeling much better these days after your strong pain relief. x
 

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Hello @Rose88 - The majority of people on here have other medical conditions to battle with along-side managing their Diabetes. And taking other Medications have an effect on our Blood Sugars - sending them up. With me the Diabetes has to be No.1 priority and all the other conditions just fall into line.
Out of all the drugs that I have been on for control of my Diabetes there were 2 that made me gain weight: Gliclazide caused me to put a stone on and going on Insulin caused me to put a stone on. From this 2 'extra' stone I have only managed to loose 1 stone 4 lbs of it - the rest just wants to stay with me!
I believe there is a thread on here for people who have the Colitis and/or Diverticulitis, I will search for it and when I find it ? I will tag you. (Placing @ in front of your Avatar name and you will receive an alert).
Have a good day.
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Erin, Gliclazide can lead to hypos too. I'm sure it'll confirm that on your patient information leaflet.

Do you drive at all? If you do, you need to ensure you're testing enough.


AndBreathe, I am acutely aware of hypos on too much gliclazide. I really hate hypos because I get chest pains and other typical symptoms. I am amazed that I now feel better in spreading g in 3x over the day (40, 40, 40) and the metformin 3x but it has never been very strong. When I was taking 2 g's in the morning, I felt hyper symptoms. Go figure.
 

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AndBreathe, I am acutely aware of hypos on too much gliclazide. I really hate hypos because I get chest pains and other typical symptoms. I am amazed that I now feel better in spreading g in 3x over the day (40, 40, 40) and the metformin 3x but it has never been very strong. When I was taking 2 g's in the morning, I felt hyper symptoms. Go figure.

Erin, in essence, to put it as simply as I can, Metformin and Gliclazide are very, very different. Put simply, Metformin helps you body reduce any insulin resistance and many people also find their appetite is reduced. The result of those two things can mean it is easier to lose spare poundage the individual may be carrying.

The impacts of Metformin build up in the system over a period of time, rather than on a dose by does basis.

Gliclazide, on the other hand, basically, encourages your pancreas to secrete more insulin, in order to cope better with whatever you eat and drink. By the addition of extra insulin to your system, if effectively drives blood sugars down (potentially to hypo levels).

Taking all your Gliclazide tablets would have most impact for the while after you have taken the medication, so spreading them out would logically would be gentler on your system, and decrease the chances of having a hypo. I essence you are taking 3 gentler prompts as day to your pancreas to produce more insulin. Taking them all at the same time is a big hit all at once.

Some people find they gain weight on Gliclazide, but that is often where they have quite a bit of insulin resistance. Where insulin resistance is quite marked, the adding more insulin will encourage body fat storage.
 

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Erin, in essence, to put it as simply as I can, Metformin and Gliclazide are very, very different. Put simply, Metformin helps you body reduce any insulin resistance and many people also find their appetite is reduced. The result of those two things can mean it is easier to lose spare poundage the individual may be carrying.

The impacts of Metformin build up in the system over a period of time, rather than on a dose by does basis.

Gliclazide, on the other hand, basically, encourages your pancreas to secrete more insulin, in order to cope better with whatever you eat and drink. By the addition of extra insulin to your system, if effectively drives blood sugars down (potentially to hypo levels).

Taking all your Gliclazide tablets would have most impact for the while after you have taken the medication, so spreading them out would logically would be gentler on your system, and decrease the chances of having a hypo. I essence you are taking 3 gentler prompts as day to your pancreas to produce more insulin. Taking them all at the same time is a big hit all at once.

Some people find they gain weight on Gliclazide, but that is often where they have quite a bit of insulin resistance. Where insulin resistance is quite marked, the adding more insulin will encourage body fat storage.


I think you are very informative AndBreathe and I agree on what you say about spreading the gliclazide. As for metformin, I have read that it decreases weight and is good for your heart. I have no problems with it. I am not a doctor but I suspect that after 9 years of diabetes, the pancreas is deteriorating.
 
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I think you are very informative AndBreathe and I agree on what you say about spreading the gliclazide. As for metformin, I have read that it decreases weight and is good for your heart. I have no problems with it. I am not a doctor but I suspect that after 9 years of diabetes, the pancreas is deteriorating.
9yrs of a drug like gliclazide is mooted to wear out beta cells in the pancreas. Maybe!
 

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With me the Diabetes has to be No.1 priority and all the other conditions just fall into line.

Liam The above just hit a cord with me and makes so much sense. I've been trying to tackle this that and the other conditions but you're absolutely right ... from now on diabetes takes priority and I think the rest will get fixed too!