That doesn't mean it is always a good thing.Cultures and traditions are always being lost, everywhere - it's progress,
Is there really any need to be so rude?are you living on cloud cuckoo land?
There may have been many trade deals but at least we were allowed to trade. The EU has been restricting our trade for years. The whole point of joining the EEC was to improve trade.there had to be hundreds of continually shifting trade deals
In theory yes, we can but live in hope!Am I naive in assuming there will be more money for nhs services?
If you're implying that working people in that era were lazy then how come they had previously actively been doing a fine job working to win the war!Yay! You mean we won't want to pay ourselves over the odds and will put in a fair day's work for a fair day's pay? (I prefer the sentence that way round, it points out the duties before the rights). So we can compete with hard working nations? Yay! No strikes or powercuts this time!
Edit: when I was a little girl I used to wonder why some grown ups called the main employer in my home town 'Restinghouse'. I thought maybe they weren't that good at spelling, what with the 3r's and all that.....
. Those who voted leave knew some financial sacrifices would have to be made in the short term. Those who are still going to rant on and not accept a democratic decision with a high turnout really are sore losers and need to move on. Finis.
I'm not implying it, that was the reputation of that factory/foundry. I think you may be forgetting that it was largely the women who worked back home in the UK to win the war whilst the menfolk were away fighting.If you're implying that working people in that era were lazy then how come they had previously actively been doing a fine job working to win the war!
I can't debate anymore with you @zand, don't take it personal but you are not going to change your position or accept the result.They expected the financial sacrifices to be made by other people, it's going to come as a shock to a lot of them that they will be hit too. I for one fully accept the democratic decision (that's why I stated I wouldn't want a 2nd referendum) but it's a huge shame that some of those who voted for it have changed their minds already. Hey ho. I'm happy to move forward even if they aren't. lol There's not only sore losers there's sore winners too.
The lack of control thing was yet another lie. Out of the last 200 laws put through parliament, 6 were supplanted by EU bills. When the Tories have complained about EU laws, they are mostly against having troublesome things like equality laws, human rights and workers rights that are designed to protect us from our own government.In a nutshell, was being part of the EU to stick together and help each other out? bailing Greece out etc? I know there were benefits of staying in but surely having control back of our own country and finances should be OK in the long term? I can understand some countries who need to be part of the EU as they couldn't survive on their own but France want out and so do Italy although I doubt Italy will be better off outside the EU as they are heading towards problems themselves. It may be the worst decision ever made but unless you take the gamble and risk, we'd never know.
I can't debate anymore with you @zand, don't take it personal but you are not going to change your position or accept the result. Maybe democracy is an outdated concept for you and joining Diabetes.Gov.NorthKorea forum would be more for you.
I for one fully accept the democratic decision (that's why I stated I wouldn't want a 2nd referendum) but it's a huge shame that some of those who voted for it have changed their minds already. Hey ho. I'm happy to move forward even if they aren't. lol There's not only sore losers, there's sore winners this time too.
It will take time. We won't leave EU for at least 2 - 3 years. It'll then be up to the gov't of the day. Hopefully this will come to pass. Cameron made a big thing of how little the EU contributions are (c. 1% of GDP). One has to ask, why not increase the NHS funding anyway. It simply cannot undertake the (increasing) job asked of it with the funding provided.Am I naive in assuming there will be more money for nhs services?
It will take time. We won't leave EU for at least 2 - 3 years. It'll then be up to the gov't of the day. Hopefully this will come to pass. Cameron made a big thing of how little the EU contributions are (c. 1% of GDP). One has to ask, why not increase the NHS funding anyway. It simply cannot undertake the (increasing) job asked of it with the funding provided.
Those restrictions were by and large a myth. Mostly, the Tories objected to not being able to discard the European Human Rights Convention as it took precedent over them riding roughshod over people. The thing about bendy bananas was made up by the Daily Mail, as were other such restrictions. The government IS going to have to pay the EU £250 million a week to still be able to trade with them, and then gave to find at least an extra £80 million a week for the farming subsidies they will no longer get. This government, or any other will most certainly not pour funding into the deprived areas ripped apart during the Thatcher years, so all of those regeneration investments made by the EU will never be replaced either. The EU had committed £1.8 billion to projects in Wales over the next four years, when successive UK governments had allowed it to rot and never attempted to replace jobs that were lost to their actions. So the people of Wales voted against investment in their future, and to hand control of it back to a right wing government that will do nothing for them at all. As did the people of Hull and many other underfunded areas. The EU provided funding in the area I live too. Smart to kick them into touch eh? Helps to know the truth in these matters. Coulds, woulds, buts and ifs don't quite cut it really. Nor do misconceptions.Individuals didn't want to go forward with EU restrictions and demands. They didn't want to compromise any more British values and traditions. They feel they had compromised enough. Their future looked bleak in the EU.
Well. at Boris will have a few cards.
Now the stock market and the pound has fallen, he will be getting to decide where are the money that used to go to Brussels, then get fed back into the deprived areas as grants, regeneration, business starter loans, can either continue to be fed from central government, or be diverted into propping up the banks, and rebuilding the financial institutions that were relocated out of London.
As you say, the working class need to calm down, knuckle under, and when we are great again, and trade as we used to, they'll be back in the land of milk and honey.
You know you can depend on an ultra right wing government, with a massive windfall, to do the right thing.
After all, they're in it until they retire, and their pensions don't come from nowhere.
@eddie1968 I even removed my Belgian signpost avatar earlier today as I thought it was no longer appropriate, even though it did have my name on it. Looking for a suitable British one now.
£1.8 billion that our own government would never have pumped into Wales. The EU was effectively doing what successive UK governments refused to do, and invest in rundown areas with low unemployment. Those areas have been left to rot since the 1980's or since the industries that provided the bulk of employment for them were closed by that same UK government. So yes, it is our own money, and ironically, it was going to be used for what it should have been instead of trident or nuclear power stations!That was kind of them. Was that £1.8 billion of our own money?
Neither. I'm a cup full person right now.There seem to be two distinct groups of people posting here.
Negative, cup half empty pessimists spouting doom and gloom.
Positive, cup half full optimists wanting to unite the country.
Personally, I 'm in the second group. Which group are you in?
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