NoCrbs4Me
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- The Rocky Mountain Foothills, Canada
- Type of diabetes
- I reversed my Type 2
- Treatment type
- Other
- Dislikes
- Vegetables
That doesn't prove a "varied diet" is the healthiest, though, for most people. Perhaps he would have lived even longer if he had eaten differently. If a person smoked like a chimney and lived to 93 that wouldn't prove that smoking is healthy. You have to look at a population. As I said, I think the standard western diet increases your chances of getting one or more of the "western diseases", but doesn't guarantee it, just like smoking increases your chances of getting lung cancer, but doesn't guarantee it.My elderly dad ate a very varied diet, he came from a very poor background in Gallowgate, Scotland, but gave up smoking his pipe in the 1980's, but liked a drink or two, or three etc and always ate carbs, he lived to 94 <3
Many on this forum have reversed their type 2 diabetes and I don't recall a single one of these people saying that reduction of stress is what did it.Linked to the western diet are the levels of stress caused by modern living/society - e.g. the effects of social media, the rush to buy ever more 'stuff' that is not needed - and that stress on sleep patterns, all of which link into T2. To see a 'cure' would involve not only medical breakthroughs and good diet adoption, it would also necessitate a considerable reduction in modern stress levels. One could argue that these western stress levels are by and large self-induced - after all, we have potable water at the turn of a tap, we have far more food than is necessary all around us, we have excellent health care (compared to other countries), warm houses, etc - yet in general we don't appear to be a happy bunch. Of course there are many thousands who struggle daily with lack of money and other stress factors largely out of their control. It struck me that it is a sad state of affairs that there are businesses now selling digital detoxes and how to relax in a forest. If people need to sign up/pay out for a course or break just to walk in and lie/sit in a forest (the latest trendy thing), then it is a sorry state of affairs. I am at a loss to see how these stresses can be reduced, and therefore how T2 and other western diseases and ailments can be cured.
Many on this forum have reversed their type 2 diabetes and I don't recall a single one of these people saying that reduction of stress is what did it.
I have normal blood glucose levels and am not on any meds. I consider that cured.
Maybe we should just agree to disagree on this one.I do believe that for many people diagnosed, low carb (but not very low) combined with exercise has been shown to reverse metabolic syndrome/insulin resistance and allow good control of BG and insulin with a normal diet of moderate carbs, fats and protein. I think that where possible this s the most desirable approach rather than focusing on removing whole food groups permanently.
Should this not prove a viable option, exploring a very low carb diet is an option, but it does carry more risk than a balanced diet.
I think you will find that @NoCrbs4Me eats as many carbs as he wants. That may well be zero which is fine for him.Can you eat as many carb as you like....?
A low carb diet in in fact a form of treatment...
Perhaps I was being simplistic: I wasn't implying that reduction of stress alone would reverse T2 - of course it wouldn't - and of course for those many on this forum, diet has worked wonders. But I feel that high stress levels, and the bad sleep that often goes with them, have a large bearing on SOME trying to reverse their T2 and should, to my mind, be part of the equation/question of finding a cure.
I think you will find that @NoCrbs4Me eats as many carbs as he wants. That may well be zero which is fine for him.
I'm happy to disagree, I just think that those who are newly diagnosed should have some idea of alternative, successful approaches, not jut LCHF which appears to be the favoured approach in this forum. None of the approaches is risk free.Maybe we should just agree to disagree on this one.
I am simply challenging what he may believe to be the definition of cured......
he can eat what he likes and still think he is cured....
I am just saying I don't believe that to be true....
but, at least let him respond.....
So far as I know he has never claimed to be "cured" ...you just said that.
But you are right I'll let him speak for himself.
Ha ha, I panicked there thinking I had made it up.....
please note post number 4 of the thread....
That doesn't prove a "varied diet" is the healthiest, though, for most people. Perhaps he would have lived even longer if he had eaten differently. If a person smoked like a chimney and lived to 93 that wouldn't prove that smoking is healthy. You have to look at a population. As I said, I think the standard western diet increases your chances of getting one or more of the "western diseases", but doesn't guarantee it, just like smoking increases your chances of getting lung cancer, but doesn't guarantee it.
Perhaps I was being simplistic: I wasn't implying that reduction of stress alone would reverse T2 - of course it wouldn't - and of course for those many on this forum, diet has worked wonders. But I feel that high stress levels, and the bad sleep that often goes with them, have a large bearing on SOME trying to reverse their T2 and should, to my mind, be part of the equation/question of finding a cure.
For sure reducing stress is beneficial for type 2 diabetes and for overall health.Perhaps I was being simplistic: I wasn't implying that reduction of stress alone would reverse T2 - of course it wouldn't - and of course for those many on this forum, diet has worked wonders. But I feel that high stress levels, and the bad sleep that often goes with them, have a large bearing on SOME trying to reverse their T2 and should, to my mind, be part of the equation/question of finding a cure.
So if someone who smoked lived to 94 without getting lung cancer that would prove to you that smoking is healthy for everyone?Well my dear ole dad did have a healthy varied diet and lived a full life with very little medication. So 94 is a wonderful age, how many can say it isn't. So I will have to disagree with you there..
In fact, I can. I have a bad habit of experimenting with carbs when I use a Freestyle Libre occasionally. I appear to have a non-diabetic blood glucose response when I eat carbs. I don't think that's healthy, though, so I don't eat carbs, other than during the Freestyle Libre experiments.Can you eat as many carb as you like....?
A low carb diet in in fact a form of treatment...
So if someone who smoked lived to 94 without getting lung cancer that would prove to you that smoking is healthy for everyone?
I am telling you
My father ate carbs ,had a long and healthy life, with little medication to 94 years old, say's a lot and I should know, I knew him for nearly 60 years. I hope I follow in his footsteps.
ps We all know how unhealthy, smelly and anti social smoking is.
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