I know some of us were taking in by both of them but we were trying to help and it is a bitter pill to swallow, but with moderators finding out about them we should all be thankful. As they say it will take time to sort out but it will not stop me from helping people on this forum in fact it makes me want to help more. For every bad apple there are a 1000 good ones, this is our forum where we talk, rant and twist but that's what makes the forum work, we all just can't meet for a coffee and talk through things as we all live in different places. It does not matter that we fell for the con because their are always going to be people who will try to con us everyday, i mean we get conned by MP;s every time we vote as the tell you they are going to do all sorts to help us and then don't. So lets back to doing what we do and forget these sad people.