COVID 2019 Comorbidity with Diabetes

[Goonergal]

Random question.

If someone catches the virus due to self negligence, then passes it on, and people die from coming in to contact with that person .... Does said person become a murderer or anyway responsible for deaths that happen because it was passed from them?

I don't mean legally I mean from a morality perspective.

I think it’s very dangerous to start attaching blame to anyone contracting this, or any other form of virus. Yes, everyone has a responsibility to take the necessary precautions - particularly if they have any symptoms - but as some unfortunate incidents have already shown, judging and blaming leads nowhere helpful.

 

[Bill_St]

In my OP, I linked to a study of seriously ill subjects in China.
I pointed out that it was limited due to only being over the first 28 days of illness with many still in ICU.

We now have a further study just published.
It shows much longer duration of infection and higher rates of Hypertension and D comorbidity.
WARNING
I must emphasise these figures relate to those who were Seriously ill.
Do not take them as indicators for general populations.

https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/article/S0140-6736(20)30566-3

 

[Indy51]

From George Henderson's (@puddleg on Twitter) blog which includes an English translation of the treatment protocol (which includes intravenous Vitamin C) being used in China:

https://hopefulgeranium.blogspot.com/2020/03/the-official-covid-19-protocol-from.html

 

[ickihun]

I feel we have been given a death sentence because we are being told we will likely get this virus. Great just as life was improving for me and I actually started to look forward to things , now we have this every day when we wake up doom and gloom on tv on every channel and its depressing .

You hv had viruses before, I assure you. Any runny nose before with tiredness on good bgs? Then you've had a virus and lived.

 

[WackyJacky64]

Oh @WackyJacky64 i do hear that..and does all sound so bad.

the only thing i can point to to, as a little chink of light.
Is that this site
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
has been my Goto for data.
and the rate for those Mild 88% V Critical 12%, has gone down over the last month.
( i guess more testing throws out the majority are NOT seriously impacted )

and also on the recovering 94% V fatal 6%..that too has improved tremendously.
so things are less bleak then they were Globally, which doesn't really help
here on the ground, i'll admit ..BUT it IS better then it was..the numbers ARE improving
lets hope they continue for me & you, and the others on here

All WE can do i look after ourselves the best we can,
stay up to date with outbreaks and the latest news
up the Vit C, eat well, exercise if at all possible, stay well
do the things we are asked, Hope other do that as well

for me i have begun taking fresh ginger tea, and a little bit to chew on.

will it help..maybe, maybe not, but what else can we do.
it has benefits for those with breathing issues (asthma here)

None of this is written in stone.
it is warning that we might be impacted,
but many of us will avoid, the worst..
God willing, but we must do as much for ourselves as possible.

Take care.

Thank you so much .

 

[Mr_Pot]

It may seem a bit trivial when people have died but I wonder how people cope on holiday? As an example I normally tour somewhere Mediterranean for a couple of weeks stopping 3 days at a time at various hotels or apartments. Having to go into hospital is one thing but self-isolating is not going to work, especially if your booking has ended!

 

[Robinredbreast]

My view is that it's impossible to lead a life without taking risks. Never leave your house and you will never die in a car accident, but a plane could fall on your house tomorrow. This virus has been around for months, yet only a tiny proportion of the worlds population has been infected. None of the experts expects it to be anywhere near as bad as the Spanish flu pandemic in 1919 and the vast majority of the population didn't get infected then. We diabetics are at a slightly greater risk than the general population and those of us who have other conditions, at even greater risk. BUT, these viruses are so easily passed on that it is almost impossible to avoid all risk of getting them. I have stopped worrying as it's pointless. I wash my hands more often and I try not to touch my face until I have washed my hands, but I have no intention of living as a hermit until the danger is passed. If I get it and I die then you can all say I told you so. On the other hand, a plane may fall on my house. We never know what is around the corner and it's plain daft to lead your life terrified of things which may never happen.

Well said, be aware, sensible and safe, that's what I try to do everyday.

 

[Robinredbreast]

The Administrator of our department informed me just as I was leaving for the day...

COVID-19 CONFIRMED IN A WHATCOM COUNTY RESIDENT BELLINGHAM, WA – Today the Washington State Department of Health (DOH) confirmed a case of 2019 novel coronavirus (COVID-19) in a Whatcom County resident. The individual is a woman in her 60s who received medical care at PeaceHealth St. Joseph’s Medical Center. Her condition improved, and she was discharged. Since that time she has been self-isolated at home. She has no known international travel history. The Whatcom County Health Department is working aggressively to identify all those who may have come in contact with the confirmed case. Close contacts may include family members, co-workers, emergency responders and others. These people will be closely monitored for symptoms to avoid further spread of this virus.

Here we go...it's here now. Everybody's had the jitters all day, and that was before the alert came out.

I sit in a taxi 5 days a week, twice a day, with the school escort driver and 3 children, the drivers wife works in an Italian company, in our town, where 3 people have tested positive for the virus, so very close to home. Next one, 10 miles way, last week 17 miles away.

 

[Robinredbreast]

I feel we have been given a death sentence because we are being told we will likely get this virus. Great just as life was improving for me and I actually started to look forward to things , now we have this every day when we wake up doom and gloom on tv on every channel and its depressing .

It may seem like a huge death sentence at the moment and yes many will test positive and they do get better, a few, unfortunately won't. I would rather know what is going on and then try to make the best of the situation to stay on top of things.
Best not to panic, as stress levels can put BG's up, they do in me and they can rocket.
Deep breaths, in through the nose and out through the mouth and count to 10, it may help.
Edited.

 

[jjraak]

It may seem a bit trivial when people have died but I wonder how people cope on holiday? As an example I normally tour somewhere Mediterranean for a couple of weeks stopping 3 days at a time at various hotels or apartments. Having to go into hospital is one thing but self-isolating is not going to work, especially if your booking has ended!

at a sensible level, we'd fly home and in the meantime stay in hospitals, hotel rooms etc
but i doubt that would be sensible or practical.

I believe most will be more like the prep for any major disater, think katrina.

so schools sports halls, etc,, tented maybe, perhaps cubicles..won't be pretty.
check out the way china managed a lot of the outbreak, that's the model when it all goes pete tong

 

[jjraak]

I sit in a taxi 5 days a week, twice a day, with the school escort driver and 3 children, the drivers wife works in an Italian company, in our town, where 3 people have tested positive for the virus, so very close to home. Next one, 10 miles way, last week 17 miles away.

as this progresses that is going to be a similar reality all over for many.
whether on the tube, bus, taxi in the office..we'll struggle to avoid contact situations until we are told.

Stay safe.

 

[Robinredbreast]

as this progresses that is going to be a similar reality all over for many.
whether on the tube, bus, taxi in the office..we'll struggle to avoid contact situations until we are told.

Stay safe.

Exactly, no point panicking about it.

 

[Robinredbreast]

Random question.

If someone catches the virus due to self negligence, then passes it on, and people die from coming in to contact with that person .... Does said person become a murderer or anyway responsible for deaths that happen because it was passed from them?

I don't mean legally I mean from a morality perspective.

Sorry, but I cannot for the life of me think why you would post the above, a possible murderer because they aren't as clean as someone else, or just sneezed outright, no tissue to Catch it, Bin it, Kill it, too lazy to wash their hands, these people go about doing this day after day after day, year in year out, unfortunately nothing is perfect.

 

[jjraak]

A little light relief and travel info about Egypt,
and for those who know the site, tech radar
the managing editor fell sick while away.

all looking good.
here is his tweets.

never thought of Egypt, quite intrigued now.
https://twitter.com/mattswider/status/1236222211733811200

 

[lindisfel]

We just have to improve the odds on our chances of not getting it.

For example, do one big shop per week, preferably on a quiet day.
Use public transport as little as possible.
If we are in one of the extremely vulnerable groups, limit social and group gatherings for the peak virus time. (A big cluster in the States was centred on a synagogue, the same would true of a church or mosque or social function)
It may be necessary to limit contact with younger family members.
I am going to look into groceries being delivered.
I am open to any ideas you may come up with.

I am not as yet constructing a port cullis or drawbridge!
Derek

 

[Winnie53]

@Winnie53 and others interested in an alternative/functional medicine approach to the epidemic. Though I'm not a huge convert to Dr Gundry's plant theories, he covers the subject fairly comprehensively in his presentation that is included in this video:

I already take Vitamin D3 and C, but think I'll be upping my dosage for the duration. The more I hear about the dangers to people with pre-existing pulmonary fibrosis, the more I feel like I may be committing SBC (suicide by crowd rather than cop, in this case) every time I venture beyond my own four walls

Indy51 thank you. Great information and aligned with Peter Osborne's and Andrew Saul's recommendations that I've posted here. Hadn't thought about elderberry syrup or mushrooms yet. Or saunas. All very helpful. If things get bad, have you considered sheltering in place and having someone shop for you. Remember, you can still go outside. Just maintain distance from people, then wash hands when you return home. Preparing for the worst, hoping for the best...

 

[lucylocket61]

We just have to improve the odds on our chances of not getting it.

For example, do one big shop per week, preferably on a quiet day.
Use public transport as little as possible.
If we are in one of the extremely vulnerable groups, limit social and group gatherings for the peak virus time. (A big cluster in the States was centred on a synagogue, the same would true of a church or mosque or social function)
It may be necessary to limit contact with younger family members.
I am going to look into groceries being delivered.
I am open to any ideas you may come up with.

I am not as yet constructing a port cullis or drawbridge!
Derek

If the river rises any more I won't need a moat..

 

[DCUKMod]

It may seem a bit trivial when people have died but I wonder how people cope on holiday? As an example I normally tour somewhere Mediterranean for a couple of weeks stopping 3 days at a time at various hotels or apartments. Having to go into hospital is one thing but self-isolating is not going to work, especially if your booking has ended!

Having just come back from a couple of months abroad, tourism is down. Not just down, but very down in some places, with one major, high end hotel in the capital closing, due to a downturn in trade. Hotel rooms were available everywhere, where people wanted or needed them. We were fortunate in that we would not have been wrestling bookings or concerned about hotel bills.

To be honest, if all this still going on, I think staycations, or "domestic" holidays will have become popular.

 

[lucylocket61]

Having just come back from a couple of months abroad, tourism is down. Not just down, but very down in some places, with one major, high end hotel in the capital closing, due to a downturn in trade. Hotel rooms were available everywhere, where people wanted or needed them. We were fortunate in that we would not have been wrestling bookings or concerned about hotel bills.

To be honest, if all this still going on, I think staycations, or "domestic" holidays will have become popular.

Trouble with staycations is that it brings vast swathes of people to relatively rural and quiet areas, endangering the population living there who otherwise may not have been at risk.

 

[Mr_Pot]

Trouble with staycations is that it brings vast swathes of people to relatively rural and quiet areas, endangering the population living there who otherwise may not have been at risk.

So endangering foreigners is better then?