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COVID 2019 Comorbidity with Diabetes

lucylocket61 said:
I can remember when living beyond 80 was considered a very rare and astonishing thing, and only a relatively few people lasted that long. And that is only a few decades ago. With the age of death having started to fall in the UK anyway over the past few years, not living over 80 is normal lifespan for most regardless of covid19
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I must get around to writing a will !
 
jjraak said:
nice post @Goonergal

and that to my mind leads on to a conversation me and the wife had.

the exit strategy.
( as .
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From my point of view we need to stop talking about an 'exit strategy' and we need to start talking about a 'coping strategy '.

The sooner governments around the world open up about this and take ownership of the problem, the better it will be for all of us.

Edit to add, I'm guessing our hands are tied somewhat until there's a viable vaccine available.
 
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lucylocket61 said:
given the graphic accounts of fluid filled lungs etc, what other articles have you seen to substantiate this idea of it not being a respiratory disease?
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The damage to the alveoli, thus the fluid filling, is allegedly being caused by the damage caused by the unbound heme.
urbanracer said:
I'd like it to be true but I am becoming increasingly wary of certain articles which almost sound like 'Trump was right!' proclamations.

If it's true we will no doubt see it more widely accepted by the medical community soon.

Who (or what) is Liberty Ravenstock?
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I hear you re the Trump comment but a broken clock and all that.


I’m not saying it’s accurate just that I’ve seen a number of articles saying the same and on the face of it there seems some sense in it. I’ll try and relocate some of the others ......
 
HSSS said:
The damage to the alveoli, thus the fluid filling, is allegedly being caused by the damage caused by the unbound heme.

I hear you re the Trump comment but a broken clock and all that.


I’m not saying it’s accurate just that I’ve seen a number of articles saying the same and on the face of it there seems some sense in it. I’ll try and relocate some of the others ......
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I can’t find the ones I mentioned before but a quick google on heme and covid is throwing up an awful lot of results such as the ones below (that I’ve not yet read).

https://www.thailandmedical.news/ne...-transporting-oxygen--current-medical-protoco

https://chemrxiv.org/articles/COVID...e_Metabolism_by_Binding_to_Porphyrin/11938173

https://www.researchgate.net/public...hibit_Heme_Metabolism_by_Binding_to_Porphyrin

http://outbreaknewstoday.com/new-me...yrin-and-alteration-of-heme-metabolism-16510/
 
urbanracer said:
From my point of view we need to stop talking about an 'exit strategy' and we need to start talking about a 'coping strategy '.

The sooner governments around the world open up about this and taken ownership of the problem, the better it will be for all of us.

Edit to add, I'm guessing our hands are tied somewhat until there's a viable vaccine available.
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yes i like that terminology much better.

being fair, they have to manage the fear and expectations, hard to do, but as you say, better to be open.

which i am sure they will do at some point, i guess that is always going to be a call us lay people can discuss,
and never get the timing right for all, so what chance do they

pretty sure the trickle of leaks etc is just preparing that ground..

sad, that part of yesterdays briefing, the good news was others were doing worse..:sorry:
 
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urbanracer said:
The sooner governments around the world open up about this and take ownership of the problem, the better it will be for all of us.
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I think the modus operandi of most western governments in this day and age is to placate the hive-mind of social media by taking the path of least resistance. Practical realities seem secondary to avoiding criticism from groupthink.
 
lucylocket61 said:
I can remember when living beyond 80 was considered a very rare and astonishing thing, and only a relatively few people lasted that long. And that is only a few decades ago. With the age of death having started to fall in the UK anyway over the past few years, not living over 80 is normal lifespan for most regardless of covid19
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Wait till you get to 80 to say that! :)
I am looking forward to the next 20 years of life and I am 81 in June.
 
lindisfel said:
Wait till you get to 80 to say that! :)
I am looking forward to the next 20 years of life and I am 81 in June.
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I have not made a judgement call on anything about the pro's and con's of being older. I am stating the fact that living to be over 80 is a relatively new thing over the past 100 years of UK civilisation. So the expectation to be over 80 has changed over that time. Plus the fact that the increase in age of the past few decades is now reducing again.

Nothing more. Nothing less.
 
lucylocket61 said:
I have not made a judgement call on anything about the pro's and con's of being older. I am stating the fact that living to be over 80 is a relatively new thing over the past 100 years of UK civilisation. So the expectation to be over 80 has changed over that time. Plus the fact that the increase in age of the past few decades is now reducing again.

Nothing more. Nothing less.
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You are right, @lucylocket61 ,

But i did read that as a cheeky wink and reply.

Some of which is hard to read when we aren't face to face... admittedly.
 
My annuity I was forced to buy doesn't make any economic sense until I get to at least 85 so I am determined to live that long if it kills me!
 
urbanracer said:
I'd like it to be true but I am becoming increasingly wary of certain articles which almost sound like 'Trump was right!' proclamations.

If it's true we will no doubt see it more widely accepted by the medical community soon.

Who (or what) is Liberty Ravenstock?
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Trump was not right. He chose to remain ignorant. He truly didn't want to give any attention to COVID-19 because he was so obsessively focused on getting re-elected. Things here didnt begin to shift until his return from his trip from India in which his staff sat him down and made him understand the seriousness of the threat and probable outcomes. Even after that, it was a struggle. This man is obsessed with money and power, and is loyal to no one but himself and his family.

Sheltering in place IS buying us more time to 1) partially address critical supply chain issues and 2) hopefully identify better prevention and treatment approaches. But it's only temporary. Hopefully by then people will better understand what we need to do to avoid infecting others as much as possible.
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New Peter Attia podcast this morning for those who are interested... https://peterattiamd.com/ameshadalja/

In this episode, infectious disease and pandemic preparedness expert, Dr. Amesh Adalja, puts the current pandemic into context against previous coronaviruses as well as past influenza pandemics. Amesh also provides his interpretation of the evolving metrics which have contributed to big variations in modeling predictions, whether this will be a seasonally recurring virus, and perhaps most importantly—how we can be better prepared for the inevitable future novel virus. Finally, Amesh explains where he sees positive trends which give him reasons for optimism.​
 
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From the latest CNN newsletter today:

Thanks, Obama:

Trump’s favorite tactic when things go wrong is to blame his predecessor -- even though he has been President for more than three years.

Hence the repeated false claim that the US shelves were empty of ammunition when he took office.

Trump’s biggest whopper of this crisis was that former President Barack Obama left him obsolete tests for coronavirus -- even though the disease wasn’t discovered until late last year.
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I do wonder if those promoting herd immunity consulted the science officers of the agricultural community.
Lots of experience there with viral spread of Foot & Mouth disease, bird flu etc.

Preventing transmission between farms (think care homes) using strict lockdown and biosecurity.

Do the precautions and successes of some countries reflect their knowledge, policies and protocols with viral outbreaks on farms?

Or is it simply not PC to discuss similarities with (other) animals?
 
Bill_St said:
I do wonder if those promoting herd immunity consulted the science officers of the agricultural community.

Lots of experience there with viral spread of Foot & Mouth disease, bird flu etc.

Preventing transmission between farms (think care homes) using strict lockdown and biosecurity.
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They always seen to recommend culling animal herds, flocks etc. so stop the spread of these diseases, I think there is a law against culling humans somewhere... :D
 
This is concerning. Ventilators may be damaging the lungs in some people, and most are dying. Yet we need additional research on the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine prior to using it as a treatment for COVID-19.

New data on ventilator use in two of the hardest-hit locations, New York City and Wuhan, China, found that far more patients are dying than expected — despite attempts to save them with a ventilator.

Typically, 40 to 50 percent of patients with severe respiratory illness (other than COVID-19) will die on ventilators, the Associated Press reported. Yet so far, in New York City, 80 percent or more of the COVID-19 patients put on ventilators have died. And a small study of the patients on ventilators in Wuhan found that 86 percent had died. Numbers out of the U.K. are slightly more promising, with 66 percent dying.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...ng-term-ventilator-use/ar-BB12zXFu?li=BBnb7Kz
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I sure would like to see more treatment options made available to patients. This is heartbreaking.
 
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Okay, every couple of days I've searched online for updates. Found one, finally...


And here's the Medical Information/COVID Care Protocol - (developed by Dr. Paul Marik) - webpage from East Virginia Medical School (EVMS) for physicians... https://www.evms.edu/covid-19/medical_information_resources/

And this is the physician whose research inspired the above protocol, Alpha A. "Berry" Fowler, III, MD, William Taliaferro Thompson Professor of Medicine Division of Pulmonary Disease and Critical Care Medicine Department of Internal Medicine Director, The VCU Johnson Center for Critical Care and Pulmonary Research Virginia Commonwealth University School of Medicine

 
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