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Yep.I think the whole of England has started whistling in the dark.
Yep.
I also find it strange how press and media are no longer reporting on situation in Spain and Italy as they come out of lockdown too.
For a while our gaze was outward now we are back to being insular and inward looking
Presumably because new cases there aren't growing so it doesn't support the "second wave" narrative?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/
Daily deaths in Spain appear to be single digit
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/
Similar (not quite single digit but getting there) story in Italy.
Edit to add what I found amazing was that Prof Ferguson was being interviewed on the BBC this morning.. how can a completely discredited scientist still be spouting his opinion on the national media?
Thank you, it makes it a little more clear.@Fairygodmother - still lots of,unanswered questions, but I'd wager this page, plusmadditions and revisions, could be helpful, moving forward.
https://news.leicester.gov.uk/news-...cester-to-be-extended-for-at-least-two-weeks/
Well Dominic Mckenzie Cummings is still running the country at least Prof Ferguson had the decency to resign.
And as to whether or not the second wave is just an unsupported theory we will not have too long to wait to find out.
Edit to add As far as I know Prof Ferguson's credentials as a scientist have in no way been called into question.
Do you have a reputable link please?I dont know why these sceptics praise Sweden, they are killing their old people by refusing them oxygen when they have Covid19.
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John Campbell interviewed a doctor from Sweden recently on youtube. The doctor also said how the Swedes are laughing at people wearing face masks.Do you have a reputable link please?
Hi John,I think the whole of England has started whistling in the dark.
I agree that both Sweden and the UK have got it wrong when it came to their elderly. We 'saved' the NHS by shipping them out into the care sector, then rolled out DNR notices without proper consent being given and failed to allow doctors to visit homes. Then there are the deaths that have occurred not from Covid but from under treatment of other conditions.This is a recent video by Dr John Campbell discussing the Swedish Covid 'experiment'
His disgust at the number of deaths, and the treatment of the elderly is plain.
In fact, he comes very close to saying that the denial of oxygen, and the dispensing of a cocktail of 'end of life' drugs (which suppress the breathing, to allow a comfortable exit) is tantamount to euthanasia, on a large scale.
I agree that both Sweden and the UK have got it wrong when it came to their elderly. We 'saved' the NHS by shipping them out into the care sector, then rolled out DNR notices without proper consent being given and failed to allow doctors to visit homes. Then there are the deaths that have occurred not from Covid but from under treatment of other conditions.
Although he presents calmly and confidently he is a academic nursing lecturer hence his knowledge on the appropriateness or not of administering palliative cocktails or not administering oxygen in a care home setting. Surely it is a leap to say this was deliberate rather than simple incompetency?
I don't think the jury can be out on Sweden just yet despite his attempted take down which I found unbalanced compared to other more qualified commentators who don't cherry pick their data to prove the point that he wants to prove - that if we don't all close down we are sacrificing elderly lives.
Also why show the picture of US crowds partying? You could equally show BLM marches or beach goers but perhaps that would not support his argument .
I agree that both Sweden and the UK have got it wrong when it came to their elderly. We 'saved' the NHS by shipping them out into the care sector, then rolled out DNR notices without proper consent being given and failed to allow doctors to visit homes. Then there are the deaths that have occurred not from Covid but from under treatment of other conditions.
Although he presents calmly and confidently he is a academic nursing lecturer hence his knowledge on the appropriateness or not of administering palliative cocktails or not administering oxygen in a care home setting. Surely it is a leap to say this was deliberate rather than simple incompetency?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-coronavirus-r-rate-creeps-22297302
Yes, alright it's the Mirror but even so...
If R is less than 1 the virus will eventually go away, R doesn't have to keep decreasing, although if it does the virus will go away more quickly. Even if you are braking very gently, as long as you are not accelerating your car will eventually stop. Also the R number becomes pretty meaningless when there are only a few cases.The r rate has been the same for weeks. I can only conclude that decisions being made by the government now are based on the economy, not health.