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COVID 2019 Comorbidity with Diabetes

Discussion in 'Other Health Conditions and Diabetes' started by Bill_St, Feb 13, 2020.

  1. zand

    zand Type 2 · Expert

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    You asked this question earlier which shows you are worried about what would happen if you caught the virus.

    Yet later in the thread you talk about going out for 2 walks.

    Both posts are fine in isolation, they show valid arguments, but they don't go together.

    Why double your risk of catching the virus? Trust me it really isn't a pleasant experience and 35 days on I can still not walk more than 100 metres a day.
     
  2. jane1950

    jane1950 · Well-Known Member

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    one walk is only 15 minutes, the other walk I also use for something legal, but I take my son, he goes to buy my essentials, and I wait by the canal
     
  3. Pipp

    Pipp Type 2 · Expert
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    Well, I now have my reason to be glad to have been instructed not to go out at all for 12 weeks.
    People happy to bend the rules and increase risk of transmitting a virus that could finish me off are out there!
     
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  4. lucylocket61

    lucylocket61 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Your story keeps changing.

    As I am now in isolation, 99% certain I have the coronavirus, I will leave you to your conscience. You have no good reason to be out of your car on the shopping trip, or whatever your second trip is for.
     
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  5. jane1950

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    I dont take a car, I have to walk to the shops, so I stop by the canal, so I dont walk as far, and my son continues to the shops and meets me back at the canal to walk home
     
  6. copilost

    copilost Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    It's true, my circumstances might mean that what I do is "fine" but that's not the point though. For once in all, this is the time to be an example of the best, don't do anything that challenges the advice, keep it simple, do 'the job'. Lead by example. Where did that go? I'm educated, privileged and not very important, I stay at home. On a small micro social level makes probably very little difference but collectively it matters. My responsibility is to all. My behaviour counts.
     
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  7. Brunneria

    Brunneria Other · Moderator
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    Yup.

    there’s a line that sums it up...
    what is it...?
    tip of my tongue...
    oh yeah, remember it now:

    Stay home. Protect the NHS. Save Lives.

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  8. Mr_Pot

    Mr_Pot Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    That’s OK as long as those in self-isolation at Balmoral say with its 50,000 acres, take into account the different circumstances of someone with children in a bedsit.
     
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  9. copilost

    copilost Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    you know what I'm not going to take lessons from balmoral in true social responsibility! sheesh! I get it, i do, rules from the entitled and the privileged should be treated with caution. But I am privileged and I do have a responsibility, I can assess where I am in all this. so can everyone else.
     
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  10. Bluetit1802

    Bluetit1802 Type 2 (in remission!) · Guru

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    Well, we now have our Prime Minister in intensive care. I am so sorry for him and worried for the rest of us.
     
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  11. HSSS

    HSSS Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Sadly not all the general public have the capacity to establish if their actions impact others and only consider their own bubble. Different locations will have different implications. The same actions in one place could very easily be selfish and reckless whilst in another perfectly reasonable and legal.

    The law does not say once or one form or anything like that. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2020/7/contents/enacted/data.htm. Perhaps if they wanted that wording they should have added it like Wales did.

    I am only going out once a day and am not trying to justify anything. Just stating facts.
     
  12. copilost

    copilost Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Agreed it would have been helpful to be very clear in instructions, admitting it was not subtle but did the job, we could understand that.
     
  13. longtime

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    If a diabetic is admitted to hospital, is their diabetes managed? Wouldn't blood glucose levels rise and rise without management?
     
  14. zand

    zand Type 2 · Expert

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    A few on the forum who have had the virus have reported stable, good BGs so managing them has been easier. It's a weird virus that doesn't seem to behave like others as far as BGs are concerned, but that is based on the reports of just a handful of people here.
     
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  16. Winnie53

    Winnie53 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Important...

    The Marik's COVID-19 Protocol was updated on April 3rd...

    https://isom.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol-04.06.2020.pdf

    It's written for physicians (and now includes graphics), but here's an excerpt relevant to those of us here...

    Prophylaxis

    While there is very limited data (and none specific for COVID-19), the following “cocktail” may have a role in the prevention/mitigation of COVID-19 disease, especially amongst the most vulnerable citizens in our community; i.e. those over the age of 60 years and those with medical comorbidities. While there is no high level evidence that this cocktail is effective; it is cheap, safe and should be readily available. So what is there to lose?
    • Vitamin C 500 mg BID and Quercetin 250-500 mg BID
    • Zinc 75-100 mg/day (acetate, gluconate or picolinate). Zinc lozenges are preferred. After 1-2 months, reduce the dose to 30-50 mg/day.
    • Melatonin (slow release): Begin with 0.3mg and increase as tolerated to 1-2 mg at night
    • Vitamin D3 1000-4000 u/day (optimal dose unknown). Likely that those with baseline low 25- OH vitamin D levels and those > living at 40 degree latitude will benefit the most.

    Mildly Symptomatic patients (on floor):

    • Vitamin C 500mg BID and Quercetin 250-500 mg BID (if available)
    • Zinc 75-100 mg/day
    • Melatonin 6-12 mg at night (the optimal dose is unknown)
    • Vitamin D3 1000-4000 u/day
    • Enoxaparin 40-60mg day (if not contraindicated; dose adjust with CrCl < 30ml/min)
    • Optional (and if available): Chloroquine 500 mg PO BID for 5 days or hydroxychloroquine 400mg BID day 1 followed by 200mg BID for 4 days
    • Observe closely
    • N/C 2L /min if required (max 4 L/min; consider early t/f to ICU for escalation of care).
    • Avoid Nebulization and Respiratory treatments. Use “Spinhaler” or MDI and spacer if required.
    • Avoid non-invasive ventilation
    • T/f EARLY to the ICU for increasing respiratory signs/symptoms

    -----

    @jjraak @Indy51 And here's one more protocol that I learned about tonight. This will be of interest to those of you who are at "high risk"...

    Dr. Vladimir Zelenko is a primary care doctor in the US. He practices in area one square mile in size with a population of 35,000. He himself is a cancer patient. He wanted to get ahead of the coronovirus so looked at the protocols used in S. Korea and France. With that information, he has treated 911 patients with a positive test result for COVID-19 or symptoms - (fever. cough, diarrhea, loss of taste or smell, etc.). He has one treatment approach for high risk patients, another for low risk patients. Outcomes to date: 0 deaths, 3 patients intubated - (2 still on, 1 off respirator), 6 patients admitted w/bacterial pneumonia for IV antibiotics - (2 now at home). He's using hydoxycholroquine, azithromycin, and zinc sulfate, all oral medications. Protocol is listed in video. Treatment goal is to avoid hospitalization. My kind of doctor...

     
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  17. Winnie53

    Winnie53 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks so much for sharing this jjraak. I surveyed it and am going to read it tomorrow night after I get off work. It's very well written and provides more information on high risk groups that I've not seen elsewhere..
     
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  18. urbanracer

    urbanracer Type 1 · Moderator
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    When one looks up Dr Vladimir Zalenko on the internet, he has not provided a single piece of evidence to support his claims. This is not the way an experienced medical professional operates.

    Depending on the news source, there is also a wide variation in the claims regarding the number of patients treated.
     
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  19. Mr_Pot

    Mr_Pot Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    For the benefit of those outside the UK it is unrealistic to suggest that here we could insist we are treated with some sort of protocol that is not approved by the medical authorities. While we can opt out of treatment or possibly treat ourselves, no reputable doctor is going to prescribe treatment for Covid-19 based on a patients knowledge gleaned from the Internet.
     
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  20. Winnie53

    Winnie53 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    What I share here is to inform you of what is happening in real time in the US. There is nothing typical about this threat or doctors response to it. My questions are three part: 1) what is being tried, 2) what are the results, and 3) how to gain access to that treatment if needed.

    I don't have an answer to the latter question. And I don't expect anyone here to either.

    That's why my husband and I are using specific nutritional supplement strategies to make ourselves inhospitable hosts, as much as possible.

    Right now we're working our way through all the information on the site isom.ca
    The International Sooety of Orthomolecular Medicine.
    Thanks to the work of that organization's founder, I personally know three families who each had a desperately ill family member for whom allopathic medicine failed. Of the four whose health was restored, I continue to be in regular contact with two who continue to be healthy and happy today.

    Until I had those personal experiences, I was no different from any of you. I rejected anything that wasn't supported by my doctors. When my gastroenterologist told me to try the specific carbohydrate diet following my first flare with ulcerative colitis 20 years ago, I did it and that diet changed the course of my life. I am healthy. When I learned about the low carbohydrate diet from Richard Bernstein, MD 5 years ago for my type 2 diabetes, I did it and it worked.

    What I have patiently been conveying to you all is that the nutrients we get from food and/or supplements matter. Step 1. Make sure you're not deficient in the nutrients your body needs to make your body an inhospitable host to the virus. Step 2. If that strategy isn't enough, continue taking the nutrients and add the drugs based on the best information available from real doctors treating real patients in real time.

    Right now, I don't know how to gain access to the drugs, so I'm continuing to take a multi vitamin and mineral supplement that includes all the B vitamins, vitamin C, vitamin D3, zinc, selenium, and magnesium. I'm also eating a very healthy whole food diet and walking regularly to keep my glucose levels down while doing all the other things I need to do to optimize my health.

    I don't have all the answers. But I at least continue to seek them out and share what I'm learning here. Again, 97% of us will come through this okay. It's the other 3% I'm concerned about.

    Dr. Paul Marik is trustworthy in my view. I don't know anything about the other doctor beyond what is in the video I shared last night. If he's a fraud, I want to know that.
     
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    #1360 Winnie53, Apr 7, 2020 at 3:30 PM
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2020
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