Hi Brunneria.
I'm a fully qualified nutritionist and I happend across this thread as it was linked to the critique of the original article.
My my interest is to stop the spread of misinformation on the topic. That somehow CICO is outdated or doesn't work.
I've worked with and continue to work with clients who are type 1 or type 2 diabetic and the spread of pseudoscience through mediums like this forum doesn't help people. It just confuses them further. Especially somewhere where people will actively come to see advice on help with their conditions.
That's pretty much all my interest. I'm not here to sell anything (or I'd have completed my profile) or have an axe to grind.
The fact is Low carb or LCHF diets work by getting people to eat less over time. They work for some and not others that much is true, but fundamentally work by the same rules as any other effective weight control diet, that is CICO.
to be fair, the two members were insulting and patronising from the outset, and the robust defences were a response to that.Completely agree. I've no idea if either of the two new members were genuine or trolls, we'll see if they hang around and build a track record or not. But supposing they're genuine? While they weren't particularly receptive to alternative views, those views were given fairly, ahem, robustly... To the uninitiated, that gives a false perception of our community here. I know there was integrity in every reply, but might we have driven away two new members?
avatar nutrition is no different from any other weight loss ideas. You can get the same or better advice on here for free. And at $20 a month, its not cheap either.Understand that LCHF may work for many people, and certainly endocrinology isn't my specialty, if something like calorie restriction didn't work, then why would Avatar nutrition be almost completely successful across all users who stick to program?
Again you're showing your misunderstanding.
"Eating more" is a loose term.
Eating more what? Vegetables and lower calorie density foods? Sure. Eating more calories than they were beforehand? Unlikely.
Also the energy balance equation is not static.
If you "eat more" as in truly eat more calories, but it's of better composition - more protein, more macronutrients then often people feel better and move more too. Very often diet intervention also happens alongside other lifestyle changes, like better sleep and exercise, which also tip the balance to expending more calories.
This is wholly explainable and still conforms to the laws of thermodynamics.
Nutritionist. Out of interest do you hold any qualifications that enable you to give out nutritional advice?
Your long term health depends on primarily maintaining a healthy bodyweight.
And my livelihood depends on helping people.
CICO is not a movement or a preference. Not some fad diet. It's established scientific consensus. As the saying goes, you're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. All diets work by creating an energy imbalance, as Anthony says this has been studied to death in metabolic wards.
Because we are the only species that use a slide rule and spreadsheets to create food-like substances, hyperpalatable yet void of nutrients. It started with the invention of agriculture, but has intensified manyfold in the last 100 years, and logarithmically in the last few decades. Carbs are cheap and easily processed into any type of texture. The answer is to eat real food that allowed our species to develop a large brain... Not processed mush that makes us survive, but not thrive.I’d like to know why humans are the only creatures in the entire animal kingdom that [apparently] need a slide rule and a spreadsheet in order to not gain (or lose) weight
Because we are the only species that use a slide rule and spreadsheets to create food-like substances, hyperpalatable yet void of nutrients. It started with the invention of agriculture, but has intensified manyfold in the last 100 years, and logarithmically in the last few decades. Carbs are cheap and easily processed into any type of texture. The answer is to eat real food that allowed our species to develop a large brain... Not processed mush that makes us survive, but not thrive.
Apologies, I'm not sure how that part-comment appeared in the post - it wasn't supposed to be posted and wasn't addressed to you.
To briefly answer your question, though, there is no suggestion that calories can be inhaled. However, the proportion of calories that actually make it from the plate into the bloodstream varies between people. For example, some people are fairly good at digesting sweetcorn, whereas in others it passes straight through. Two people can eat the same meal but differences in gut microbiome are thought to alter the amount of energy that each can obtain from that meal.
Apologies again for the confusion - what I am really interested in is the links to the studies which show that people following LCHF can lose weight despite eating more calories. Thanks.
This is what I get. Two people join a particular thread, both in the 'industry'. A thread on a Diabetes website and they concentrate all their efforts on weight, ignore question of TOFIism and sedentary lifestyle with weight loss and studiously ignore the whole concept of metabolic syndrome, insult members' inteligence by saying;
You didn't do it right
You couldn't possibly understand
You are misremembering or telling lies
You're not putting in the work
Have you seen my credentials?!
Accuse members of slavish zealotry or Guru worship
and then leave.
Completely agree. I've no idea if either of the two new members were genuine or trolls, we'll see if they hang around and build a track record or not. But supposing they're genuine? While they weren't particularly receptive to alternative views, those views were given fairly, ahem, robustly... To the uninitiated, that gives a false perception of our community here. I know there was integrity in every reply, but might we have driven away two new members?
Not really because LCHF doesn't usually involve calorie restriction.. it utilises hormonal responses to food.
That's kind of what the disagreement was about.
I’m certain that I consume way more calories now than I ever did. The difference is that my body uses them all instead of storing them by packing my liver and nearby organs full of fat.
I will wait.Or maybe there's only two of us and responding to hundreds of naysayers, whilst working, takes time?
The trouble is that my body doesn't behave the way it is supposed to. No amount of telling it to lose weight your way works....Because to people who understand biochemistry and work in the industry some of those "alternative views" are demonstrably nonsense. Cutting carbs just leads to a reduction in calorie intake, it really is that simple.
I understand the disagreement. And I’m weighing in on the side that thinks LCHF works *because* of calorie restriction. When is there not a hormonal response to food?
I’d like to know why humans are the only creatures in the entire animal kingdom that [apparently] need a slide rule and a spreadsheet in order to not gain (or lose) weight
This (maybe) can occur after long-term severe calorie restriction, which is why that is not recommended when dieting. Although, there isn’t universal agreement that it occurs at all (look up the myth of starvation theory). And, although a terrible example to have to use, anorexia would not exist if metabolic slow down was a common adaptation. However, if it does, it would be true with ANY long term weight loss diet, including LCHF and keto.
Oh please tell me how I lost weight eating 1000 cals a day more then. I have asked you to read my fat fast thread 3 times now. That's my own personal study. You are extremely arrogant to think you know what works for my body better than I do. I have lived in my body for 61 years and know the effects of too much adrenalin at a very young age, a bad whiplash injury damaging my thyroid, years of insulin resistance and ME, years of cutting calories more and more until i got fat and ill. I followed your methods for very many years until I became morbidly obese. The light bulb moment for me was when my son and I had flu in 2007. We ate nothing at all for 5 days and very little for the next 6 days. I was seriously overweight and my son was a healthy weight. He lost 11 and a half pounds I lost just half a pound. That proved to me that I could no longer go on reducing cals to try to lose weight so I stopped dieting and tried to stay healthy. When I stopped counting calories I began to lose weight.Yes it does, you are restricting calories by omitting a macronutrient, some people find LCHF diet's great for managing hunger, so you eat less.
Find me one metabolic ward study that shows you can lose weight eating MORE calories than your body needs using a LCHF diet. I'll wait.
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