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Dr Jason Fung mauled by impeccable logic of Calorie Restriction fans...

Discussion in 'Low-carb Diet Forum' started by pdmjoker, Jul 14, 2019.

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  1. pixie1

    pixie1 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thought so. Why don't you review Dr Unwin, who ha treated thousand of diabetics successfully through LCHF, because mainstream view of management of diabetes was not working for his patients.

    Just because you are a qualified nutritionalist does not make you an expert on diabetes. This is why you are ruffling a feathers amongst us.
     
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    lucylocket61 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    to be fair, the two members were insulting and patronising from the outset, and the robust defences were a response to that.
     
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  3. lucylocket61

    lucylocket61 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    avatar nutrition is no different from any other weight loss ideas. You can get the same or better advice on here for free. And at $20 a month, its not cheap either.
     
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  4. pixie1

    pixie1 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    As you know restricting carbs, because we diabetic and those who are pre diabetic have become insulin resistant.
    By restricting carbs, this gives the pancreas a rest, doesn't need to produce too much insulin.
    Carbs have to be replaced by fats for energy, this in turn we do not need to count or restrict calories, our system utilizes these calories and fats more efficiently.
    We have all felt the effects of the results of this.
    Doesn't matter how much research you try to off load.

    The science we have and rely on. Is blood tests. It works for us.
     
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  5. pixie1

    pixie1 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    The whole point, this forum is for diabetics. This makes us experts in our own condition. Most of us realised that both of you are not diabetics at all. Putting forward your own views band opinions based on research. Both of you are not listening, you are not the only ones who don't, many of us are here be cause people have followed or try to, but are hindered because of othere medical conditions. If you listen you would real use that Cisco is defunct.

    I will not explain the reason why. Because its been already written down already. You both are so blinkered and narrow minded.
     
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    Larissima Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Because we are the only species that use a slide rule and spreadsheets to create food-like substances, hyperpalatable yet void of nutrients. It started with the invention of agriculture, but has intensified manyfold in the last 100 years, and logarithmically in the last few decades. Carbs are cheap and easily processed into any type of texture. The answer is to eat real food that allowed our species to develop a large brain... Not processed mush that makes us survive, but not thrive.
     
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  7. Jim Lahey

    Jim Lahey I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Exactly :D
     
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    Mr_Pot Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Never mind animals, I don't think there can be any humans using a slide rule.
     
  9. pixie1

    pixie1 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    People's own experiences is not applicable if you want to be shown studies. Why do you need to be asked. Read about Dr Unwin
     
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    ATZ · Well-Known Member

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    Or maybe there's only two of us and responding to hundreds of naysayers, whilst working, takes time?
     
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    Because to people who understand biochemistry and work in the industry some of those "alternative views" are demonstrably nonsense. Cutting carbs just leads to a reduction in calorie intake, it really is that simple.
     
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    ATZ · Well-Known Member

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    Yes it does, you are restricting calories by omitting a macronutrient, some people find LCHF diet's great for managing hunger, so you eat less.

    Find me one metabolic ward study that shows you can lose weight eating MORE calories than your body needs using a LCHF diet. I'll wait.
     
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    ATZ · Well-Known Member

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    "I'm certain"

    Code for I've no idea as I've never accurately measured my intake. And you want to pack your organs full of fat?
     
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  14. Guzzler

    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    I will wait.
     
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    zand Type 2 · Expert

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    The trouble is that my body doesn't behave the way it is supposed to. No amount of telling it to lose weight your way works....
     
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  16. ATZ

    ATZ · Well-Known Member

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    Exactly.

    LCHF dieters talk about insulin being the key.

    Thinking about food promotes an insulin response

    Eating protein promotes an insulin response.

    Fat doesn't, but this is irrelevant as acylation stimulating protein will store it in the absence of insulin (not that insulin levels are every truly zero when eating as I described above.

    If fat loss or gain was all about hormones and not energy balance then how are there populations living in absolutely rude health eating predominately carbohydrate based diets?

    The Tsimane eat 71% of their energy as carbohydrates yet have healthiest hearts in the world.

    The Okinawans live on rice and potatoes yet are a blue zone population - an area with a low levels of disease and high numbers of centenarians.

    The Kitavians live on sweet potatoes

    Or this man who lost 117lb eating only potatoes?

    If it were all about hormones, why aren't the above sick? How did the last example lose such a large amount of weight eating potatoes?
     
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    ATZ · Well-Known Member

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    Using this analogy.

    You have an overweight dog. Do you restrict it's carbohydrate intake or, do you just reduce it's portion size and increase it's activity levels?
     
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    pixie1 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    The body eats its self away, which anorexia does, people combine it with exercise, such as pacing to continue. It's a mental health problem. Cannot be compared.

    If people are dieting through restrictive calories to the required weight, when increasing normal or what people considered normal eating, the body maintains the fat, this is why people regain weight, food has become plentiful, the stored fat is there ready in case of reduction of food.
     
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    jjraak Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    so @ATZ

    i may have missed it, and i am aware your are a busy person
    but too busy to say what type diabetes you suffer from..?

    i'll wait.
     
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  20. zand

    zand Type 2 · Expert

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    Oh please tell me how I lost weight eating 1000 cals a day more then. I have asked you to read my fat fast thread 3 times now. That's my own personal study. You are extremely arrogant to think you know what works for my body better than I do. I have lived in my body for 61 years and know the effects of too much adrenalin at a very young age, a bad whiplash injury damaging my thyroid, years of insulin resistance and ME, years of cutting calories more and more until i got fat and ill. I followed your methods for very many years until I became morbidly obese. The light bulb moment for me was when my son and I had flu in 2007. We ate nothing at all for 5 days and very little for the next 6 days. I was seriously overweight and my son was a healthy weight. He lost 11 and a half pounds I lost just half a pound. That proved to me that I could no longer go on reducing cals to try to lose weight so I stopped dieting and tried to stay healthy. When I stopped counting calories I began to lose weight.
     
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