AliB said:
It's not about what I would consider to be low - or high fat for that matter.
The criteria for low-fat is that generally set by the Government guidelines and that is supposedly the way many people eat today.
From what I've seen people eat and from reports of fat consumption of the population' your above statement is not entirely right. Yes, there are people who who stick to these guidelines but the majority do not and hence the reason why the Government drew up these "guidelines" on the recommendation of the Chief Medical Officer and other Professional HCPs.
Every time I go into a cafe/restaurant I see people eating very fatty meat/sausages fried in lard or oils (or butter in more "high class" restaurants). Fish and chips fried in oil that is more like lard than anything else, kebabs fat dripping from the side of their mouths etc. so I think it is safe to say that the majority of people do consume lot more fats than what the Government suggests.
And sadly, much of the fat they do eat is pretty awful stuff.
Yes and according to the professionals the "pretty awful stuff" is the saturated fats that do the damage, all the professionals of the world can't be wrong and a handful who are against right, surely :?:
The criteria for high fat often differs between one person and another but I suppose that high fat in terms of a ketogenic type diet would come in at between 60 - 70%. I would think that the low threshhold would have to come in at anything under around 20%.
60-70% of the daily diet? :? But that only leaves about 30-40% to fill the rest of the plate.
Let's assume a that someone puts (roughly) 300g of food on his/her plate, that would mean 180-210g of fat and only about 90-120g (combined) for veg/protein/other nutrients that one needs to (or should) consume daily. That is much too much fat and not enough room left for other good foods one needs.
And if someone was to eat that 3 times a day then that would be 510 to 630g of fat a day. :shock: :shock: and if the portions are bigger then this figure will be a lot higher as well.
If we use the same 300g then at 20% the calculations would be 60g at each meal with a total of 180g a day, even that is way above the Governments/Professionals recommendation and probably is what the majority consume each day anyway., more for those who eat larger portions.
Mathematically, in both examples it seems that the majority do eat a lot of fat.
A question that you might be able to answer for me:
How much (invisible) fat is still left in a piece of meat after all the visible fat has been cut off, any ideas?
We have to have some fat in the diet, and some of that should be saturated. But then even 'saturated' fats aren't all saturated. Personally I prefer saturated fats because I would rather trust the stable fats that have been used for thousands of years than the modern processed highly unstable vegetable oils that turn into 'varnish' when heated. The only exception is olive oil.
That's your personal choice and I don't think you'll find any one who would try to force to stop eating what you want to.
I don't weigh my fat - some people do - but assess what I eat by tablespoon. Some days it may be slightly more or less than others. I usually have two or three tablespoons of butter or ghee and slightly more of coconut oil, plus a little lard and sometimes olive oil. (Some people pick up their ratios from the likes of 'Fitday').
It would have been very helpful if you gave me an rough "guesstimation" in weight of your daily fat consumption to help me understand better but from what I can guess of your above statement it really does not sound like a lot unless you eat that amount 2-3 times a day.
Fortunately I never did jump on the low-fat bandwagon - it never did make any sense to me -
If you've never "jumped on that low-fat bandwagon" then how comes you suffered from all those illnesses you mentioned in your posts? Surely if fats are good then you should not have?
we have a gallbladder - why would we have that if we weren't designed to eat fats in quantity?
Surely there has to be a limit whereby gallbladder will not be able to cope if the "quantity" is exceeded and 510 to 630g of fat a day way over that limit.
What about those of us whose gallbladder have been removed, is it still safe for us to eat loads of fat and what happens to the fat we no longer fit the "designer" description? (PS: I know, not one of my best jokes but not the worst either. :lol: )
My Dad used to moan at me for slathering butter on everything, but I kind of feel somewhat vindicated on that now. Might have done him more good if he'd upped the butter.
"Might" but then again maybe not, don't know your dad so can't comment on that.
A "fatty heart" is not very healthy and has, to my knowledge, killed many people.
One other thing I picked up during my research is that women in cultures who consume a lot of fat (like those in Yucatan for instance) don't suffer with Menopasual symptoms. I have to say that although I have had quite a lot of other issues I have never had any obvious Menopausal symptoms at all, so may be there is something in the fats that has supported that.
This is one area that I really can't comment on. :lol: but "maybe" this and "maybe" that sounds more like an experiment than a proven fact to me.
If I wasn't on the healing diet I probably would have a bit less, but the fats help to remove toxins, and they are certainly doing that. Coconut oil has been my saviour over the last three years, as food, as hand cream, deodorant, for healing (healed a very severe burn to my left hand within weeks). It's amazing stuff. A diabetic friend has had a foot ulcer that wouldn't respond to any prescription treatment. It has gradually been healing with the use of coconut oil.
I am guessing that your above statement (highlighted in red) means that you agree that those who do not need to go on a "healing diet" do not have to eat lot of fats like yourself or others who follow the same diet, am I right?
I am also assuming that there is no benefit for diabetics in consuming "loads of fats" unless like yourself they go/need to go on a "healing diet", am I right here also?
Thanks for taking the time to reply in such depth.
