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New diagnosis

Discussion in 'Newly Diagnosed' started by Michelle135, May 15, 2021.

  1. jjraak

    jjraak Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Liking the reply @Krystyna23040

    Does show there IS hope.

    So pleased for you,
    have read your post about your journey and been most impressed by what you have done.
    what a great attitude and result.

    And, as you say @bulkbiker SO spot on.

    Really throwing petrol on to a bonfire.

    Have found the vast majority of so called 'Expert' advise to be so much BS, sadly.

    IF the problem was a Nut allergy would the solution REALLY be to add more nuts to your diet..?
    :banghead:

    When you cut to the Chase, T2D, is a simple problem.
    those with T2D do not tolerate carbs that well.

    IF too many carbs IS the problem..

    It seems to me the simple solution is to REDUCE the Carb intake where possible..

    Have to wonder why so many 'helping' :rolleyes: us fail to see that ?
     
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  2. KennyA

    KennyA Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    I am with you on this 100%. Particularly "real food, cooked by me".
     
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  3. JoKalsbeek

    JoKalsbeek I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Toast, fruit, potato, weetabix... None of those will be doing your blood sugars any favors. In spite of the good, healthy nutrients that are in there, so are a lot of carbs... And you have a metabolic condition that means you can't process those. So as good as your food choices may seem, they are far from it, alas... https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/blog-entry/the-nutritional-thingy.2330/ could help some in figuring out what to eat, so your blood sugars won't rise. But all in all, the advice you've been given so far has been absolutely spot-on... Just joining the chorus here.

    You'll be okay. Takes a moment to get the hang of it and unlearn everything you held as truth, but.... It'll get better than this, honest.
    Jo
     
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  4. Carl40

    Carl40 Other · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks.. will be giving the results line a call when it opens, sure they can give me the detail and I'll update that here and do some digging :)
     
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  5. Carl40

    Carl40 Other · Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I've read a few similar stories. Cards on the table though - I like my carbs and would be ok with continuing with my meds providing its not going to do me more harm than good.

    My blood sugar levels are great at the moment, very much under control but need to understand this much better to form a decision as to whether to try low carb. Did cut them back a lot but not sure i'd want to reduce them so much for little reward, if that makes sense!
     
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    Carl40 Other · Well-Known Member

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    Thank you and that sounds amazing - great effort!

    This forum is great and its nice to be able to discuss all issues with such a wide range of people... couldn't agree more.

    Not sure I've quite got my head around what the long-term negatives are of using insulin vs low carb though!
     
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    Carl40 Other · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks this is an interesting experience and your understanding of the "eat anything you like" side of things is similar to my understanding - in that, the more carbs, higher the blood sugar, the more insulin you'd need to compensate. This is the approach I've taken so far. Have cut carbs and make reasonable substitutes but not sure i have the inclination to drop carbs out of my diet or reduce them so every meal is different from what I'm used to.

    I know to many this may sound like a backwards position but i do need to explore further the longer-term implications of this approach.

    I'm really impressed with your willpower - I'll have to dig deep to find it myself if i convince myself its the right approach for me!
     
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  8. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    See if you can register for online test results too.. means you can access whenever it suits you rather than your surgery.
    If you are in England they should be able to provide you with it.
     
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  9. JoKalsbeek

    JoKalsbeek I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I like my carbs too. They just don't like me anymore. ;) Seriously though, if you keep an eye on your blood sugars, and they remain under 8,5 throughout the day, there'd be no harm having whatever level of carbs your meter tells you you can cope with. But for full disclosure: blood sugars continuously higher than that will do damage that is hard to come back from. Damaging veins and arteries, organs (heart, kidneys, eyes, stomach) and nerves. That means the following complications can occur, and more: heart faillure, kidney failure, blindness, heart disease, necrosis (which'd be followed by amputation of limbs or death), diabetic neuropathy, etc. etc. etc. So it is really important to keep your blood sugars in check, and keep checking them. If you go the diet route, you could possibly halt the progress of T2 entirely, and even backpaddle. If you rely solely on medication, T2 is a progressive condition and it will likely get worse over time, requiring more medication, and still you could be prone to complications in spite of it. That'd impact both quality of life as well as the quantity. You could find a middle-of-the-road solution as you seem to have done so far, between medication and semi-low carbing. Just keep an eye on things every now and again, so you don't wake up 2 years from now with bloods ranging in the 20's, which you never saw coming because you didn't test regularly. It's a bit of a balancing act and sometimes you might have to tweak either diet or dosage, or both. So always be on top of things, and who knows what you can still enjoy without repercussions.

    In the end, we're all different, and we each need to find whatever works for us. There's trade-offs to everything. The question is what sacrifices are you willing to make, and which are 100% non-negotiable. Only you can answer that. but it helps to know what consequences some choices are liable to have, I think... Not saying they will for certain. But something to keep in mind when confronted with an all you can eat buffet, for instance. ;)
     
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    Carl40 Other · Well-Known Member

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    Will mention that to them. Can do most things online now but don't have permissions to view test results online - may just be a permission needs changing, hope so!
     
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  11. KennyA

    KennyA Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    Your choice. At least you are making an informed choice.
     
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    Carl40 Other · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for this, really informative!

    When I did my first test on 29th Jan I was getting 22.4 and had to take 12 units of insulin. Wasn't even that thirsty at the time so god only knows what my levels were pre-diagnosis! Worst I got was a few days later at 29.9. These days I'm averaging between 5 and 7 with the occasional higher and lower reading.

    Definitely noting your points about relying solely on meds for this - really fair point, am always adjusting food intake and insulin levels - was advised recently to drop from three metformin a day to two to reduce risk of me going too low.

    Cutting out carbs for me would be an absolute last resort and if things start creeping up I'll definitely give it more of a go but for now it seems ok to proceed as I am but as you say - awareness, monitoring are critical.
     
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  13. Carl40

    Carl40 Other · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks yeah I think that's the key. Nurse told me about people who pay little interest when they're diagnosed - I'm the opposite - I want to know as much as possible so I can understand the implications of every decision. So valuable to hear the range of views here.
     
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    Carl40 Other · Well-Known Member

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    Just got the data - 1580 pmol. Now to find out what that means... bit of googling coming up :)
     
  15. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    Higher than "normal" Screenshot 2021-05-17 at 14.55.01.png
    From here https://labs.selfdecode.com/blog/c-peptide/

    Had you fasted before the test?
     
  16. Carl40

    Carl40 Other · Well-Known Member

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    Thank...

    This is the dilemma - I don't think so as I was never advised to. Struggling to remember but if memory serves it was an afternoon appointment and I'm certain that unless I was told not to, I would have eaten. Can't imagine going that long without food back in Feb as I was constantly starving!

    On that basis, if it wasn't a fasting test then I'm not sure how they can form any clinical judgement on it at all! What's more, I think I was called in the morning asking if I could go in that day rather than it being pre-arranged..
     
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    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    Might be worth requesting another in that case..
    As you have had one it might be less of a problem.
     
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  18. Carl40

    Carl40 Other · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks yeah am just contemplating that!

    My thinking is that -

    Had I been fasting this would be high, had I not been fasting, this would be low, given the values in the data you shared and I've seen online.

    They're essentially so different as to render the results meaningless at this point.

    Does that make sense?

    PS got Vit D data which is unrelated but 25 is a level where its considered deficient, I was at 13... no wonder I was fatigued!
     
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    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    Yes it does indeed.. and that's very low too..the Vit D that is..
     
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  20. Carl40

    Carl40 Other · Well-Known Member

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    Yeah definitely, think the Vit D is more or less in hand now.. next time I speak with GP/Nurse I'm gonna run the lack of fasting past them and request a second test.

    They aren't keen on them though as they have to transport the sample straight to the hospital. Last time the nurse who took the blood had to leave straight away with it...
     
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