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symmit

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So - I'm 45, 140kg and 180cm. Went to see the doctor due to a navel infection last week and got antibiotics and referred for blood tests to check for diabetes.

While waiting I used a friends blood glucose meter to do a quick couple of checks - 16mmol/l two hours after lunch, 12mmol first thing in the morning. Not wishing to self diagnose but I don't think it takes a clairvoyant, especially at my weight.

Anyway for many reasons I'm not going into on a public forum I have a big problem mentally with medical procedures (very long story) and especially needles (though I can do the finger pricks now no problem...) - so earlier this week went to have blood drawn and now awaiting official results. Managed not to faint or vomit for the first time *ever*. Still hurts and starting to bruise.

I think I'm just looking for some reassurance, I'm sure everythings gonna be alright but apprehensive about testing and treatment.
 

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Hello @symmit and welcome to the site.

Firstly i'm tagging @daisy1 for our new members information which is a good guide to the basics.

I know you're looking for reassurance but it really depends on what your expectations of this are ? Your GP needs to make a confirmed diagnosis first and then discuss an action plan. What I can reassure you with is that if a diagnosis is indeed made that many folk come here and find support and learn to live healthy and fulfilling lives with diabetes, many through diet and exercise alone and some with medication in tablet form and others with insulin injections, so there are options and no one size fits all.
 
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So - I'm 45, 140kg and 180cm. Went to see the doctor due to a navel infection last week and got antibiotics and referred for blood tests to check for diabetes.

While waiting I used a friends blood glucose meter to do a quick couple of checks - 16mmol/l two hours after lunch, 12mmol first thing in the morning. Not wishing to self diagnose but I don't think it takes a clairvoyant, especially at my weight.

Anyway for many reasons I'm not going into on a public forum I have a big problem mentally with medical procedures (very long story) and especially needles (though I can do the finger pricks now no problem...) - so earlier this week went to have blood drawn and now awaiting official results. Managed not to faint or vomit for the first time *ever*. Still hurts and starting to bruise.

I think I'm just looking for some reassurance, I'm sure everythings gonna be alright but apprehensive about testing and treatment.

If it is any consolation that is lower than I was on diagnosis.

Diabetes can be a right pain but it is also usually manageable with help and guidance.

Welcome aboard, we will do what we can to help.
 
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Hi and welcome aboard,

You are in the best place you can be on this forum. It is a wonderful place full of lovely, friendly people, all diabetics of one sort or another, and with a wealth of experience between them. (far more than most GP's!!)

If you are diagnosed as Type 2, and as you can manage finger pricking now (well done with that) you will be fine and we will help you use a meter to the best advantage.

Please have a good read round, and ask as many questions as you like.
 
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Not wishing to give a medical opinion - I won't - but I would advise that you start to make some lists of low carb foods to buy - and high carb ones to avoid - I used a notebook but there are electronic devices for doing the same thing these days - I started low carbing in the early 1970s and can really recommend it for controlling weight - I keep thinking I should wear a tee shirt with 'Dr Atkins was right all along' on it.
When diagnosed I was wearing XXL tee shirts - the last lot were L - and I can have all the things I like to eat plus cream in my coffee, and get normal blood glucose readings - so I get to be a member of the Smug Club.
 
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So - I'm 45, 140kg and 180cm. Went to see the doctor due to a navel infection last week and got antibiotics and referred for blood tests to check for diabetes.

While waiting I used a friends blood glucose meter to do a quick couple of checks - 16mmol/l two hours after lunch, 12mmol first thing in the morning. Not wishing to self diagnose but I don't think it takes a clairvoyant, especially at my weight.

Anyway for many reasons I'm not going into on a public forum I have a big problem mentally with medical procedures (very long story) and especially needles (though I can do the finger pricks now no problem...) - so earlier this week went to have blood drawn and now awaiting official results. Managed not to faint or vomit for the first time *ever*. Still hurts and starting to bruise.

I think I'm just looking for some reassurance, I'm sure everythings gonna be alright but apprehensive about testing and treatment.
So... I'm not afraid of needles, (after traumatic events surgery terrifies me though, do I know about getting puke-y with sheer fear), but the thought of insulin freaked me out. I am horrible at even the simplest maths, so yeah... I just knew I'd mess up with hypo's and hypers as results. I was ready to do anything to avoid injections. I hit 18 after a regular lunch back then... It startled me so much I felt like all food was poison, and didn't know what to eat. I didn't find this place until much later, but by then I'd read a load of books, and half the internet. I learned about low-carb eating (as all carbs turn to sugar once ingested), figured out what to eat, when and how, and tested my butt off, learning to eat to my meter. I'm still a diabetic; if I eat something high carb my bloodglucose will skyrocket. But my 3-month average, my HbA1c, is solidly in the non-diabetic range. I hover between 4.5 and 6.9 throughout the day. No lingering infections anymore. And both my weight and cholesterol went down. After 3 months I was off statins and gliclazide. So aside from the occasional check-up, I, and many here with me, manage to avoid seringes altogether. I hope a dietary/lifestyle change will do the same for you. Breathe. There's hope yet. :)
 
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@doesituk

Hello Doesituk and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

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Hi symmit and welcome. I was a similar BMI when I was diagnosed nearly a year ago. I’ve got my bloods down to non diabetic levels and my weight down by 5 1/2 stone all thanks to the advice here. You’ve certainly come to the right place if you’re diagnosed too.
 
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symmit

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I've been doing some good things for the last year - took up cycling (went from being unable to cycle around the block last april to cycling to Amsterdam in october!) and this year I've dropped the fast food (I travel a lot, McDonalds seemed like my friend) and am using Huel as a convenience food replacement.

I was 150kg a year ago, 10kg in a year isn't great but I put some weight back on over winter. I'm now determined to lose weight and improve diet.

I must admit I've catastrophised myself into thinking everything is going wrong, it's been a bad few years mentally for me and this is like a kicking when I thought things were going well.

Thanks for all the kind words - I'll stick around and do some reading while the results come back.
 

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symmit

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Well it's been a while since my initial post, but I'm starting Metformin tomorrow. Doctor wanted to repeat the blood tests, a1c is 68.

So it's time to play the numbers game!
 
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Hi @symmit welcome back. Don't worry we are here to help, advise and support you. I would advise getting your own Blood Glucose meter @Bluetit1802 has some links that I'm sure will get posted. Have you thought of the Low Carb High Fat (LCHF)way of eating? I found this great for loosing weight and getting Bg down. In first month I lost 8.4 kg and fetched Bg down from 16.6 to 7.0. I do 18/6 fasting no food after 20.00 till 14.00 next day with only black tea, coffee, water and vitamin water as needed during fast. I also have less than 15 - 20% carbs. You don't have to be so extreme. Have a look at the Low Carb Diet thread in the forum. Also "what have you eaten" thread for some ideas of food you can eat. I have never been hungry since starting LCHF and have some great food. Good luck. :)
 

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In case you haven't already purchased a meter, the most popular meters for self funding T2's are the Codefree and the Tee2 because the strips are much cheaper than other meters, and you need a lot of strips. You can't buy them in pharmacies.

Try here for the Codefree meter
http://homehealth-uk.com/product-category/blood-glucose/blood-glucose-monitor/

and here for the extra strips
http://homehealth-uk.com/all-products/sd-codefree-test-strips-to-be-used-only-with-the-sd-monitor/

There are discount codes if you buy in bulk. (applied at the check out stage)
5 packs 264086
10 packs 975833

The Tee2 is here and the meter is free.

http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product-category/shop/tee2/

Don’t forget to check the box that you have diabetes so you can buy VAT free. (for either meter)
 
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symmit

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Thanks. Already bought the codefree so will be looking at a testing regime. Been testing on and off over the last few weeks to try and overcome my phobia definitely getting there.

Already made diet improvements and getting back on the bike.
 
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Thanks. Already bought the codefree so will be looking at a testing regime. Been testing on and off over the last few weeks to try and overcome my phobia definitely getting there.

Already made diet improvements and getting back on the bike.

Ty and get into an organised, consistent and regular way of testing. This means testing before every meal and again 2 hours after first bite. You need to look at the rise from before the meal to after, and keep this down under 2mmol/l and preferably less. More than 2mmol/l and the meal needs adjusting to remove some of the carbs either in portion size or by eliminating. A food diary is a good plan, so you can look for patterns. Your personal danger foods will soon emerge.

What sort of levels are you seeing?
 

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Well it's been a while since my initial post, but I'm starting Metformin tomorrow. Doctor wanted to repeat the blood tests, a1c is 68.

So it's time to play the numbers game!
I hope s/he is starting you off on a very low dose to avoid digestive upset? Forgive me if I have already suggested this article to you. It is very positive abut Metformin and very insistent on the initial low dose introduction.

http://www.mendosa.com/blog/?p=1261

Good luck tomorrow!
 
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symmit

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Ty and get into an organised, consistent and regular way of testing. This means testing before every meal and again 2 hours after first bite. You need to look at the rise from before the meal to after, and keep this down under 2mmol/l and preferably less. More than 2mmol/l and the meal needs adjusting to remove some of the carbs either in portion size or by eliminating. A food diary is a good plan, so you can look for patterns. Your personal danger foods will soon emerge.

What sort of levels are you seeing?
Reasonably consistent 12-14 in a morning before eating, 16 two hours after breakfast. Lowest in last month was 7.9 after a one hour bike ride. Will start regular scheduled testing today.
 

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Reasonably consistent 12-14 in a morning before eating, 16 two hours after breakfast. Lowest in last month was 7.9 after a one hour bike ride. Will start regular scheduled testing today.

Thanks for sharing your levels with us. They are high, but you probably know this. Let us know how you go on with your regular testing before and after meals, and do use the results to learn something about your food choices (that's why a food diary is important initially).
 
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BTW I have a phobia about needles. Thankfully I can prick my fingers... I do a lot of crafts so I'm used to it-plus I'm clumsy ;-) On met 2x500 and 1 glic a day. Diagnosed 2.5 months ago fbg 21. So I get your highs. I said I'd do anything to work it out wo needles. Two days later found this forum, 1 month ago fbg 14! :). (Yes I am happy with that). Today I hit my first 5.x. :) :). So I know you can do it.
I can't eat a.m. (But I've never been a morning person) . Sometimes will drink smoothie though if I know I won't get lunch. Seems to work. Only 2 meals a day for me but u get used to that real quick after u cut out sugars and I think the meds help. I am not overweight but eat like a horse. Now no processed sugars, lchf, reading lots of keto recipes (I don't like to cook) and this forum. Crazy up and down for first 8 weeks. That's normal. Now smoother and lower. Adding a walk 20 min to and from work is only thing I can figure that has pushed numbers so low as to non-diabetic. Start with food changes, carb counting (not calorie counting), lots of finger testing and be happy with any lower numbers even if they aren't single didget, to start with. Then it is easier to keep working towards lowering it more. I've found it easiest to find receipe ideas by searching Keto. Broth/soup wo potatoes works for me (tip from this forum), some pickle juice everyday (tip from this forum), 2meals a day (tip from this forum), keto/lchf (tip from this forum), and some have high morning # so don't let it discourage you ... keep at it (tip from this forum). All this has thankfully encouraged me.
 
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symmit

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The Metformin has arrived - 2x500mg twice a day.