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Reversing Type 2 diabetes

My soluti0n to ice cream since Newcastle has been to make custard sometimes. Since I make it myself I can use sweetener instead of sugar and I thicken with eggs and just a small spoonful of cornflour to stop them curdling. It has more or less the same ingredients as ice cream (posh custard = posh ice cream; everyday custard = everyday ice cream) except that it isn't frozen, so it tastes similar but I cn make it with less sugar carbs and calories. It elimintes the danger of my getting my ice cream addiction back.
 
 
Hi. I’m new to this website and also I’ve only just been told I have diabetes. Appt at docs was a bit rushed and told me my level is 58 and that I need to be between 42-47. What are my changes of eating healthy and reversing this? Is there such a thing as reversing and getting rid of it? Also what foods shall I totally avoid - potatoes rice and pasta? Thanks in advance
 

Hi Vish and welcome,

You would be better starting your own thread to ask these questions, otherwise your post may get lost in this long thread. If you start your own thread, give some information, and ask your questions, lots of people will come along and respond to you.
 
You should read this thread starting with page 1 to get some opinions on type 2 diabetes reversal.
 
THank you so much. Wasn’t sure how to actually post a new thread sorry for being dumb x

Nothing dumb about it. None of us knew how to start a new thread when we first arrived!

Go to the main page

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/

and pick the section you want to post in.
You will see a green bar in the top right corner that says "post new thread". Click on that, and away you go.
 
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/press/articles/archive/2017/09/type2diabetesisreversible/
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/36/4/1047

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/03/160322080542.htm:
 
Totally agree @onnecar with @Oldvatr. Loads of people readd weight or slip back into a 'normal' high carb diet due to social pressures.
A big permanent change has to be made and maintained, for life (minus odd falling of the low carb wagon moments).
A commitment to your future health.
I'm awaiting bariatric surgery to reset my digestive system and a great support to changing eating habits... for life. I see mine as a rebirth and myself weaning my new stomach like a new babies. A new digestive system from scratch.
A big commitment but only when you are ready.
 

How did you reach the decision to go for that operation @ickihun
 
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No thanks. If you think that the frame of mind which has helped me combat inherited kidney disease followed by a transplant and ongoing complications....and successfully manage the Type 2 diabetes I then got from the drugs to fight rejection of the organ...purely through hard effort and understanding of my own system and the condition...and which helped me achieve two strong academic degrees at difficult patches of my life...is "not good positive thinking" - you are perhaps a little less than correct. You are more than welcome to think positively about certain books...but if you expect me to be convinced that actual reversal based on such material - you are thinking a little too positively. I am fine thanks.
 

It would seem that I'm not on my own with the 'reversed' descriptor. It should be spelled out that only the symptoms are reversed and not the underlying condition. Start tucking into those spuds and ice cream and that reversal will simply march back over the hill where it came from. It is not axiomatic and should be made clear, especially to newly diagnosed members who otherwise may be misled.
 

It is all a matter of the degree of reversal...some of us may never reverse it to the point where we can eat the recommended "normal" 250g carbs a day...but may happily stay medication free for decades with less carbs...
 
It is all a matter of the degree of reversal...some of us may never reverse it to the point where we can eat the recommended "normal" 250g carbs a day...but may happily stay medication free for decades with less carbs...
It's a free country so you can call it what you want. I don't agree with it though for reasons stated. It does not depend on any degree of anything nor the administration of medication. The fact remains that T2s unless there is a medical miracle can only manage their symptoms. I do this myself. However, despite blood sugar levels of a non diabetic person I will always still be a T2 diabetic. Saying that my T2 is reversed is simply not true. Saying that my symptoms are reversed is true. The difference may be subtle or even pedantic but the omission of that one word carries a message that is easily misinterpreted by anyone just coming on board. Have plate of Krispy Kreme doughnuts, a big bowl of fried rice and a pizza washed down with a coke for good measure then tell me how well the reversal is going.
 

It’s going very well.
 
Reversal is not such a controversial concept that it must only be uni-directional. Reversal does not imply cure...

I know how to reverse my car...I know how move it forward or leave it where it is...

If crazy amount of carbs results in glucotoxicity, then simply reduce it to a suitable level that does not result in glucotoxicity.

Given that knowledge, some simply prefer to stay away from carbs because it is too easy to be addicted to it again and over eat carbs...
 
@kokhongw
Are you a T2 diabetic ?
 
It is all a matter of the degree of reversal...some of us may never reverse it to the point where we can eat the recommended "normal" 250g carbs a day...but may happily stay medication free for decades with less carbs...
I would think being in Remission is a more accurate term....
 
I would think being in Remission is a more accurate term....

It certainly is...but for too long...the mainstream narrative has been that T2D is progressive and irreversible except thru bariatric surgery. The term reversing diabetes is likely to be intentionally provocative to challenge current misinformation.

For example...

Virta Health
https://www.virtahealth.com/reversediabetes

Diet Doctor
https://www.dietdoctor.com/diabetes

Dr Jason Fung
https://idmprogram.com/reverse-type-2-diabetes-the-quick-start-guide/

They are all medical professionals who are familiar with the term....remission.
 
They may be expert medical practitioners but that does not guarantee any more expertise in the etymology of the English language. I completely agree with you that the attitude of mainstream agencies as you highlight is pervasive and puts them in a position of power. However, the usage of terms that are ambiguous does not help the cause of the challengers and re-educators.

I have no proof but I suspect the guidelines that have been proffered by these agencies in cahoots with medical associations are the result of underfunding and a lack of education. Call it "taking the easy way out" for a short term fix if you wish.
 
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