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Should I stop keto and Intermittent Fasting now?

Discussion in 'Low-carb Diet Forum' started by chrestomanci, Jun 24, 2019.

  1. JoKalsbeek

    JoKalsbeek Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    Doesn't want to lose her job or something. Can't have diabetics going off on their own and doing well, right? ;)
     
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  2. Ketocate

    Ketocate Type 2 · Newbie

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    I too had the eye disturbances for about a month, I figured my brain had settled in to using fat when it stopped! Glad to hear you will Keto on
     
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  3. Caeseji

    Caeseji Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Perish the thought of people taking charge of their health, bad for business! :hilarious:
     
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  4. Brunneria

    Brunneria Other · Moderator
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    In the interest of balance, there have indeed been reports of retinopathy showing up after rapid introduction of control.
    It is a quite well known ‘thing’.

    However, there are a lot of different factors in the mix, and (from memory) there is a strong liklihood that the retinopathy was already present and lurking before the control was achieved, and just becomes obvious as the control is gained.

    Also, good control encourages retinopathy to heal.

    So I think we all have to weigh the pros and cons.
    Lower bgs gradually, and risk further damage during that process?
    Or lower bgs rapidly, accept there may be some retinopathy revealed (which may have revealed in time anyway) and then keep that control, allowing/hoping/encouraging the healing to happen via the good control.

    I know that @Dark Horse has some excellent links on this, but the best I could find was this:
    http://www.diabeticretinopathy.org.uk/retinopathyprogression.htm
     
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  5. chrestomanci

    chrestomanci Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks @Brunneria I really appreciate this
     
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  6. Brunneria

    Brunneria Other · Moderator
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    No worries :D

    Just for heavens sake don’t use the information to relax the control you have gained.
    Yoyoing control and fluctuating bgs is not a good thing.
     
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  7. chrestomanci

    chrestomanci Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thank you. There's just such a lot to learn at first and I'm often overwhelmed with information and choices and things I have to find out how to do for the first time, and it all seems so urgent and vital. I don't know what I would do without you guys!
     
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  8. HSSS

    HSSS Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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  9. Mbaker

    Mbaker Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    I'd hate something that would threaten my job also.
     
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  10. Silverback-381

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    It is my understanding that T2 is the cause of diabetic retinopathy. Not the carb load
    Don't change the diet.
     
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  11. wiflib

    wiflib Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    Retinopathy is usually caused by persistent high blood sugars. Carbs have a direct effect on blood sugar so reducing carbs as much as possible will reduce the risk.
    Many T2’s don’t have retinopathy.
     
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  12. Rachox

    Rachox Type 2 (in remission!) · Moderator
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  13. Dark Horse

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    Blurred vision is sometimes reported when people start improving their blood glucose control. It's due to glucose affecting the refractive index of the lens and can last for a few weeks. If it had persisted, it would need checking out as there are other causes of blurred vision.

    It is thought that, in some people, a sudden, large improvement in HbA1c could cause a temporary increase in retinopathy. This would usually be in someone who has had a high HbA1c for years (due to poor control or being undiagnosed) and has existing moderate retinopathy. If you've only recently transitioned from pre-diabetic to diabetic levels, it seems very unlikely that there would be a problem.

    In the UK, you should be offered a retinopathy screen within 3 months of diagnosis.
     
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  14. chrestomanci

    chrestomanci Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks everyone for your responses and support, I really appreciate you all xx
     
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