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What was your fasting blood glucose? (full on chat)

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by HarrisonK, Apr 24, 2019.

  1. Bubbsie

    Bubbsie Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I wholeheartedly agree MC...I have a friend diagnosed several years before me she is in the most awful mess...now dependant on ever increasing amounts of insulin she was badly advised by her health care team...however there is another edge to her journey...after my diagnosis like you I researched & followed the advice I felt best for me LCHF...my BG came down & my general outlook on the management was optimistic...I have tried to persuade my friend to adopt some of the changes I have made & said while she has complications any small improvement she could make would be a benefit...she refuses...whist criticising the advice (or lack of it) she has received from her HCP's she refuses to change anything at all...she is content to blame all her ills on her GP & her DSN...so knowledge is powerful but only if you are prepared to make good use of it.
     
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  2. Bubbsie

    Bubbsie Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks PM & I understand you keeping your distance:D...it's just a summer cold & I'm relieved that it's not just my bad management causing those 6's & the odd 7...I'd have eaten the rollitos bacon & the ice cream too!
     
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  3. gennepher

    gennepher Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I like a bit of humour first thing, to give me a smile to start the day...
     
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  4. geefull

    geefull Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    good morning all :)

    4.4 today

    had a good lunch yesterday and then didn't feel the need for much at dinnertime, I think that's why I woke up hungry this morning ;)

    Over to mum's today to drop off some nice big free range eggs and do a bit more tidying before her visitors arrive tomorrow. It's still too wet to do any grass cutting but if it is still dry by the time we get there (which is debatable) I may trim a bit of hedge. Yesterday I treated myself in the charity shop to another pair of trousers for gardening, (maroon stretchy jeans ;)) but when I tried them on last night I'm wondering whether to keep them for ordinary wear.

    I'm getting bolder with the trousers now, am I not, after my initial trepidation? :hilarious:

    Hope your day treats you well :)
     
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  5. PenguinMum

    PenguinMum Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Oh me too Gennepher ..I too enjoyed them!
     
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  6. gennepher

    gennepher Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely no one that I have told about me doing LCHF have been approving or supportive. Even my family. In fact everyone I have told have been to the point of hysterically telling me that -
    You will die
    You must follow the advice you were given (the nurses and dieticians advice led to increased blood sugar readings and more meds and then more meds)
    You mustn’t test your blood sugar so often, you will get an infection
    All my internal organs that I will irreplaceably damage by doing LCHF, this was in graphic detail by the dietician
    And so much more which actually scared me

    And so I was wavering for a long time. Doing it ‘their’ way but my readings went up and more meds and it was don’t worry we can give you more meds. Then trying LCHF which brought my readings down, and trying to get nurse, doc, dietician etc on my side and explaining. The dietician was the worst in really scaring me with his words and manner of all the bad things that would happen to me by not following his conventional advice, he said he was trained and I was not and that LCHF was a fad thing on the Internet and he brought his face within a few inches of mine as he said this. I would call his behaviour abusive. We parted company on not very good terms. No one treats me like that.

    That was the push I needed to totally disregard the current nhs advice on diabetes. And using LCHF I am now in single figures. But this is still a work in progress for me.

    Go to dash. I would like to say more but I am now very late. I will look in tonight to read this thread.
    Take care x
     
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  7. Viv19

    Viv19 · Well-Known Member

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    I’m not sure what’s better, sometimes bad advice or not much at all. I don’t have the kind of ‘back-up’ here with diabetes clinics, d nurse etc that appears to be offered in the uk. I do have a supportive gp, but although I would class her as one of the really good gps, especially with diagnosis, she hasn’t offered much advice re diet, apart from putting me on Metformin about 5 yrs ago after saying that I was pre-diabetic. She’s supporting my LC diet (I haven’t mentioned the high fat aspect because I can’t really manage to eat HF) and and me giving up the Metformin. I know she’s pleased about my weight loss and she keeps an eye on my bg levels.
    She’s good, but if I hadn’t found this forum I’d be whistling in the dark. It’s clear though that we have to be prepared to help ourselves. After all nobody is going to care about your health as much as you do (well except perhaps for a switched on partner or a mum!). Your health is down to you and if you wait to be taken by the hand and told step by step exactly what’s best for you, well it probably isn’t going to happen, unless you are very very lucky.
    In the end there’s only one person who will be affected by the sneaky snack that nobody else sees. It’s difficult though to cancel ‘low calorie’ thinking and replace it with ‘low carb’ thinking. The first is weight/figure threatening, the second is life/serious condition threatening.
    Sorry about the waffle. Something came over me. It started as a comment. :-/
     
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  8. Bubbsie

    Bubbsie Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I do remember that post gennepher I was horrified by his behaviour...the same advice was given to me by my GP at my initial dx who at my first review with him tried to put me on maximum medication despite my BG's coming down from 17.4 to under 8.0 after 12 weeks...I refused & wrote to him after that we discussed LCHF & some of the material I used to decide which diet I should follow in order to manage my diabetes...shortly after he told me he had began to recommend some of that reading material to his newly diagnosed T2 patients...it beggars belief that the trained professionals are so entrenched in their opinion of what's best for us based on their training...not on research & development...pretty typical of my experiences & possibly others at the hands of their health care professionals
     
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  9. Bubbsie

    Bubbsie Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    On a cynical note Viv perhaps you were fortunate you didn't have the kind of 'back-up' we have here...which often can lead you down the wrong path...although you are fortunate with your GP who is at least prepared to be supportive...my start with my GP was disastrous however after a lot of hard work & discussion it improved dramatically.
     
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  10. Muddy Cyclist

    Muddy Cyclist Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    That's very sad! I am lucky all my family and friends have been very supportive, yes there is some humour from my Mountain Biking, Folk Band beer drinking and Choir Cake and wine swilling friends but I can take that. I suppose we have a very active social life being retired and even when going to meals with friends they try and do the low carb meal. It must be very hard if there is little support.

    Two of my friends are nurses, we were away with them in France and they really tried to ensure I fed myself properly and took my bloods on time. It became clear they struggled with what T2D is as each evening before bed my BG was 5.3 and they were genuinely concerned I would not make it through the night insisting they would give their patients some carbs before they let them sleep. Of course i ignored them and got through the night with higher BG in the morning which they found very strange. NHS still have a lot to learn.
     
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  11. dunelm

    dunelm Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    The studies themselves appear sound. Starting with the 2007 stuff; The metabolic abnormalities of type 2 diabetes can be reversed reproducibly by bariatric surgery and then the restricted diet stuff; correct research, good use of statistical analysis using SPSS and peer reviewed. I wouldn’t want to read some third party stuff and what DUK have done with it remains to be seen. Probably as useful as something appearing in a newspaper. Scientism is not the same as science.
     
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  12. Debandez

    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    And then there's vinyl. I was going to throw mine but then someone said they could be collectors items. Now that makes me feel old!!!

    Me and Eric off on our jolies 22nd. We fly to Rome for 3 days to start. My ears pricked up at your route maps! We plan on walking, and walking then walking some more. Could I be cheeky.....
     
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    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    Brilliant score in the door!!!
     
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  14. Debandez

    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    Coughgate is scandalous! But very funny at the same time.
     
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  15. dunelm

    dunelm Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    Interesting isn’t it. This all started out with pathogenesis; The metabolic abnormalities of type 2 diabetes can be reversed reproducibly by bariatric surgery. Two important questions emerged: Do we have the ability to adjust our environment and avoid the primary causes of type 2 diabetes? What distinguishes those individuals who appear resistant to the metabolic challenge, remaining normoglycaemic in the face of little exercise and much eating?
    So - too much eating was looked at in very small study (11 patients and 9 controls) with the hypothesis; “Type 2 diabetes is regarded as inevitably progressive, with irreversible beta cell failure”.
    The hypothesis was tested that both beta cell failure and insulin resistance can be reversed by dietary restriction of energy intake. So a move from bariatrics to fuel restriction.
    This was all science. The problem is then, I suggest, that third party funding then takes science into the realms of scientism.
    The DiRECT study in itself is not bad but a more sensible approach may have been to bluntly tell people that we need to a) cut our daily intake of food to sensible levels, b) do that by cutting carbs and c) moving more.

    I’m going to look up Dan Parker now.
     
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    dunelm Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    Interesting isn’t it that our so called health professional have poor knowledge about T2D - I believe that the lower limit for neuropathy is roughly 7 and that many people only look at a fasting reading. I seem to remember that @jjraak may have posted a study on this but not sure.
     
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  17. Debandez

    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure the whole world knows now but when I was diagnosed I was offered metformin. No alternative. My DN just drew me (I still have it, see attached) my very own eatwell plate to ensure I knew what to eat as a diabetic. Very little fat but lots of starchy carbs. I asked for 3 months to see if I could bring down my hba1c. 62 on dx. 8th dec 17. By Feb it was 47 and May 41. Went lower after that. How did I do it? By using Google. I input 'reversing diabetes '. 1st site was DCUK (still is, just done it).

    When I went back armed with lots if ammo asking my DN what she thought she said this 'not one person has done what you have done'. I said 'what, all this research?' No she said. Bring down hba1c. This was later confirmed when I sent email to Practice manager asking for stats following my dr saying to me I could have done this with low cal like it was a regular occurrence. She contacted all 3 x DNs (we are 2 big practices, one in the heart of Blackpool). ***Only bariatric pts have done this*** was their reply. I still have the email. So for me it worked well. And as far as I'm concerned it should be offered as an option. But not to allow pts a choice when the science is out there is shocking and I will battle to do my little bit to change things. Education is key. HCPs need it, pts need it. But I still agree there are other ways.


     

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  18. alf_Josiah

    alf_Josiah Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Good Morening Amphibians, Ladies and Gentlemen. I have just found a cat sleeping on one of my outdoors sofas, it won't be doing that again. Might be having low carb curry for dinner tonight.

    A gentle 5.5 climbed out of my meter early this morning, waved then ran out of the front door and dived into one of the many pot holes in our road.

    What an interesting read on the forum this morning, good and bad advice from the NHS, posters discussing semantics of percentages.

    My situation is different as is all ours. If I had listened to nurses, GP's and junior hospital doctors I would be dead by now. This is no exaggeration. I only listen to consultants and then think things through and act accordingly, but I am lucky because I have access to this level of advice.
    What I will say is trying to solve diabetes with a one fix solves all is almost impossible.
    Our body chemistry is unique, you should be taking into account the tails on the distribution curve.
    If you want to understand where I am coming from please read my profile. Life is complicated.
     
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  19. Debandez

    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    The DUK booklets I still have from dx say 'wondering what you can eat? You can eat everything'!!!
     
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    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    5.6 after my late dinner. Good with that.

    Dashing but reading a few posts. Doncha just love it when you come across a page (more or less) of thank you 's. On page 361 now. Just 3 more to go then I'm up to date. Catch ya later buddies. Have a good one. Going to see if my paint has washed off!!!!
     
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