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What was your fasting blood glucose? (with some chat)

ianpspurs said:
Never mind Advent calendars or trees, I just had a present via Amazon so shipping details tell me what it is. Massive fancy bag for a scarf courtesy of Julie's niece and wife.
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Wow I have never received a Christmas present on 1 Dec....thats on my bucket list now I have done the first Advent calender. I am getting a bit fed up with the double standards on packaging. M&S (and I think Waitrose too) have done away with their 5p bags now do 10p ones if you need one. I used to buy a few to use in the kitchen bin which was double usage. Now I am buying a roll of bin liners instead. Waitrose will only give you free coffee if you bring your own cup now so there's not much uptake. Good of the planet or reducing freebies.
 
Debandez said:
6.1 yesterday
5.5 today - happy days, back into the 5s!
My cousin has gone home now, been here since Sunday (it's been really lovely) so just catching up on the forum tonight.

Did you see the news about the NHS 800 calorie diet? Here are my own thoughts:

Good news, the NHS are doing something, and if it helps one person that has to be a good thing. At least they are recognising the type 2 CAN be reversed. When I was diagnosed almost a year ago I was told 'you have T2D and it's progressive - take these meds and cut down on sugar' so that's a massive plus in my eyes.

But speaking from my own personal experience and research there is little chance of this diet getting rid of diabetes. It could certainly get blood sugars under control and I would even go as far as to say it could put the HbA1c figures in non diabetic range.

But what happens at the end of the 800 calorie shakes and soups for 8 weeks period is the important bit? You can't sustain shakes and soups forever, especially such low cal ones.

From my research, and what I found works for me and so many type 2s is a low carb high healthy fat way of eating. Low carb, medium protein and high fat. My HbA1c has gone from the 60s (diabetic) to the 30s (well into non diabetic range) in a very short space of time. I've lost almost 4 stone as a byproduct! And my BP is that of an athlete

But I do have to work at it to stay there although it has got so much easier over the months as I know exactly what I can and can't eat in general.

Without a permanent lifestyle change the reversal won't last. If I went back to my old eating and drinking habits I would very quickly be back to square 1 as my body will always be allergic to sugar. I still test my bloods multiple times a day, especially if I introduce something new, my glucose monitor tells me so much. It's been invaluable.

I hope that this 800 diet is the start of a revolution for treatment of diabetes. There is a very long way to go.

The 2 main changes i would like to see are:

1) blood glucose monitors given to all prediabetic and t2d's

2) NHS advice given to diabetics eg the eatwell plate guidelines rubbish to change with immediate effect

I do feel the tide is turning, very very slowly. Too late for my poor old mum who has been my driving force in spreading the word, but hopefully things will get better for so many others

It took me just a few days of research (googled 'reversing diabetes') to find out how I could reverse my t2d. What baffles me is why the powers that be are still scratching their heads after so many years!!!!

For info......

So what will the 800 calorie diet consist of

People will be given meal replacement sachets that make up soups and shakes, they will contain all the vitamins and minerals needed to maintain good health through this period.

People will need to have four of these meal replacement sachets a day, for a period of three months. There will then be a period of follow-up support to help people get back on to solid food.
The very low calorie diets will be piloted next year in up to 5,000 people aged 18 and over. A previous trial, funded by Diabetes UK, revealed almost half of those who tried the diet achieved remission of their type 2 diabetes after one year.
One quarter of participants achieved a staggering 15kg or more weight loss, and of these, 86 per cent put their type 2 diabetes into remission.
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It is a shame that they did not provide the reference that this is the Newcastle Diet, also to your point @Debandez no mention that post 12 or so weeks, when so called normal eating resumes meals have to be a third smaller than what the participant used to consume, exercise is mandated (I believe this can just be walking) and it appears that the metabolism is lowered - this is not a free hit.

LBC had a phone in yesterday on the merits of the 800 calorie diet. Tom Watson (the Labour deputy leader) was asked his opinion. Credit to him he said he put his diabetes into remission by another method, cutting out carbs and sugar whilst exercising; I phoned in and stated that LCHF / Keto is what Tom did not mention, I managed to trash vegetable oil and state that the guidelines followed across Europe and US have a false basis due in part to Ancel Keys. I also said I put my diabetes into remission doing the opposite of what is said to be true. I have to give Eddie Mair LBC presenter of drive credit as he allowed caller after caller to extol the virtues of low carb and saturated fat (whereas on another occasion I was cut off by another presenter for saying I reversed Type 2); one caller, Paul explained in detail the etiology of how Type 2 comes about in general, what carbs and sugar do and, he was brilliant explaining how sugar turns to fat (uninterrupted).

Having looked at some of the comments on the BBC the advertising of the 800 calorie diet has actually helped the fat based low carb.
 
Mbaker said:
It is a shame that they did not provide the reference that this is the Newcastle Diet, also to your point @Debandez no mention that post 12 or so weeks, when so called normal eating resumes meals have to be a third smaller than what the participant used to consume, exercise is mandated (I believe this can just be walking) and it appears that the metabolism is lowered - this is not a free hit.

LBC had a phone in yesterday on the merits of the 800 calorie diet. Tom Watson (the Labour deputy leader) was asked his opinion. Credit to him he said he put his diabetes into remission by another method, cutting out carbs and sugar whilst exercising; I phoned in and stated that LCHF / Keto is what Tom did not mention, I managed to trash vegetable oil and state that the guidelines followed across Europe and US have a false basis due in part to Ancel Keys. I also said I put my diabetes into remission doing the opposite of what is said to be true. I have to give Eddie Mair LBC presenter of drive credit as he allowed caller after caller to extol the virtues of low carb and saturated fat (whereas on another occasion I was cut off by another presenter for saying I reversed Type 2); one caller, Paul explained in detail the etiology of how Type 2 comes about in general, what carbs and sugar do and, he was brilliant explaining how sugar turns to fat (uninterrupted).

Having looked at some of the comments on the BBC the advertising of the 800 calorie diet has actually helped the fat based low carb.
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Way to go you and Eddie mair. I'm going to try and find it on podcast. Sounds really interesting.

There is always a bigger picture.

Have you seen this? Amazing.

 
ianpspurs said:
Not sure how to rate - I am thinking you are agreeing with my plan/aim of matching the 2 decades protocol. Sorry. thrown by the present.:angelic:
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Yes that’s what I meant. Presumably the family members who didn’t change their lifestyle didn’t fare so well which is sad but you are making a positive decision every day to match the 2 decades protocol.
 
DJC3 said:
Yes that’s what I meant. Presumably the family members who didn’t change their lifestyle didn’t fare so well which is sad but you are making a positive decision every day to match the 2 decades protocol.
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Yes, met their maker much earlier - needlessly. The 2 decade survivor was my dad - not diabetic but he was stubborn. Obviously not at all like me:angelic::angelic:
 
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Good morning all.
My blood glucose was a bit higher than I'd like this morning - 5.8 but at least it was under 6.

I moved my weekly weigh in date forward since my weight loss this week was good and Saturdays will be good for it.
I lost another 3 lbs, giving my total loss so far of 66.59 lbs (30.21 kg) or 4 stone 10.59
I've now lost over 24% of my original weight. (I was 273.59 lbs, now 207.0 lbs).
 
DJC3 said:
Chip off the old block I’d say.
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He would not be amused by that - my mum may have found a certain amusement. Until I went to Uni Bruce Springsteen's Independence Day kinda summed us up - I love that song. Amazing how much dad learned by the time I had finished Uni ;);). Interestingly, my firstborn has a lot of his grandfather about him IMHO. What is it about these people do you think?:angelic::angelic::angelic:
 
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Mbaker said:
It is a shame that they did not provide the reference that this is the Newcastle Diet, also to your point @Debandez no mention that post 12 or so weeks, when so called normal eating resumes meals have to be a third smaller than what the participant used to consume, exercise is mandated (I believe this can just be walking) and it appears that the metabolism is lowered - this is not a free hit.

LBC had a phone in yesterday on the merits of the 800 calorie diet. Tom Watson (the Labour deputy leader) was asked his opinion. Credit to him he said he put his diabetes into remission by another method, cutting out carbs and sugar whilst exercising; I phoned in and stated that LCHF / Keto is what Tom did not mention, I managed to trash vegetable oil and state that the guidelines followed across Europe and US have a false basis due in part to Ancel Keys. I also said I put my diabetes into remission doing the opposite of what is said to be true. I have to give Eddie Mair LBC presenter of drive credit as he allowed caller after caller to extol the virtues of low carb and saturated fat (whereas on another occasion I was cut off by another presenter for saying I reversed Type 2); one caller, Paul explained in detail the etiology of how Type 2 comes about in general, what carbs and sugar do and, he was brilliant explaining how sugar turns to fat (uninterrupted).

Having looked at some of the comments on the BBC the advertising of the 800 calorie diet has actually helped the fat based low carb.
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Well done Mike - those of us with the confidence to speak publicly should do so. Sky News tried to reach me yesterday but I was too late getting back to them (day job gets in the way). Wished I could have had my say but others put the case. Debate is good.
 
Debandez said:
Have you seen this? Amazing.

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Debandez...Thanks for posting that up.....made so much sense..Loved it.:D



and to update my BS from this morning is was..
8.5 going to bed last night...(succumbed to the lure of 2 slices of sourdough bread, in the mistake of thinking i could eat it without repercussions :banghead:)

Woke very refreshed this morning, though..a great nights sleep, will do that for me.
was 6.2...in and around my 'normal' morning marker.

Then had a bright idea taken from here, i believe...

I was craving a burger yesterday, McD's or similar..THEN i remember how much i enjoyed a PROPER burger
so hit the stores, bought some decent meat quarter pounders, grilled, hit it with tomatoes, red onion, dumped a blob of heinz's reduced ketchup..and slung it in between some lettuce leaves...Deelicious.

had errands to do so no 2hr post meal test, but 6 hours later i was feeling a little meh and hungry and was at 5.8 when i tested before food.

Never had to diet before, but i have cut out beers and take aways.
eaten reasonably well, more so since coming on here and hearing lots of good advise..
gone from over 16.1/2 stone if not more before augusts 2018 diagnosis, now running at 14 stone 7lbs....

Have done some but no where near enough running/exercise.

From the doom and gloom i felt on those first few weeks, i'm now seeing a glimmer of light in my not too distant view of getting back to a better state of health.

and if i'm honest...felling rather chuffed with myself.

i've applied myself to learning the good bad and ugly of diabetes and a new one to me...

Food. is it Friend or Foe ?
i've now realised it's not all 'The Enemy'.

and i also put that steely determination of mine (as i like to call it ;)) to good use
or as my missus and family more properly name it ...my sheer bloody mindedness..:D

At first it was hard..i felt alone and in the dark, regardless of how much the family rallied with good, meaningful advise.
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But now i feel the doors have been cracked open and slightly ajar, and light is beginning to creep back in..and i'm no longer alone..:)

Thanks to all you good people.
 
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Chronicle_Cat said:
Good morning all.
My blood glucose was a bit higher than I'd like this morning - 5.8 but at least it was under 6.

I moved my weekly weigh in date forward since my weight loss this week was good and Saturdays will be good for it.
I lost another 3 lbs, giving my total loss so far of 66.59 lbs (30.21 kg) or 4 stone 10.59
I've now lost over 24% of my original weight. (I was 273.59 lbs, now 207.0 lbs).
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Whoa. That's amazing! Way to go!
 
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