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Carbs Carbs Carbs and the press

Discussion in 'Diabetes Soapbox - Have Your Say' started by nigelew, Aug 17, 2015.

  1. Celeriac

    Celeriac Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I don't use weedkillers at all, we use a weed wand and hand weed if really dry. Luckily the garden isn't huge but we keep ourselves supplied with herbs, figs, grapes and don't suffering losses or masses of weeds.
     
  2. donnellysdogs

    donnellysdogs Type 1 · Master

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    Yep, I won't use chemical weedkillers at all either. I got a natural pond with frogs for my slugs n snails. Natural woodchips too as they don't like those either and copper wire around strawberry, courgette and lettuce beds with broken up egg shells added all year round.
    Oh and picking off any slugs or snails that do attempt anything.
    The only thing I can't find a cure for is the cabbage caterpillar. They just appear and detroy over night!!

    Back to carbs, carbs, carbs??
     
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  3. Okjilly67

    Okjilly67 Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    Me too !! It's the only "diet" that I ever stuck at..... because it is so rewarding to have all my blood test results come back with reduced numbers.
     
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  4. IanD

    IanD Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Low-carbohydrate diet in type 2 diabetes: stable improvement of bodyweight and glycemic control during 44 months follow-up
    Nutrition & Metabolism 2008

    This Swedish article (in English) was cited by Diabetes UK in their "Position Statement of Low Carb diets" 2011. AFAICS it is no longer referenced. It certainly wasn't quoted to support LCHF, but if I remember rightly, to say that the weight loss wasn't maintained.

    To quote from the discussion -
     
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  5. IanD

    IanD Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Now 10 years on Low Carb, Healthy Fat, with no complications.
     
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  6. Rachox

    Rachox Type 2 (in remission!) · Moderator
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    I think this is Diabetes.uk’s latest statement on low carb:
    https://www.diabetes.org.uk/profess...style/low-carb-diets-for-people-with-diabetes
     
  7. carol43

    carol43 Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    fruits, wholegrains, pulses

    They are still not getting it right.
     
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  8. NicoleC1971

    NicoleC1971 Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    I understand that NICE has never actually reviewed low carb dies but when they do they will find that it stacks up well compared to the standard diet and the low fat diet; apparently the Predimed study re the Med diet (whatever that really is) has had to be withdrawn too. There is debate about the merits of RCTs in the area of nutrition given the difficulties of long term studies possible under tightly controlled conditions. If we could find a technical solution to adding in all of our 'N of 1' anecdotes that might be useful.
    There is a strong campaign by Nina Tceishow (can't spell or pronounce name - sorry) to get the US dietary guidelines due out in 2020 changed and there have been movements there to be more relaxed about the quantity of fat in the diet though the jury still seems to be out on saturated fat.
     
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  9. Rachox

    Rachox Type 2 (in remission!) · Moderator
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    No, I know! :joyful::hilarious:
     
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  10. zand

    zand Type 2 · Expert

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    They don't want to get it right, if they did, they would. :(
     
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  11. dbr10

    dbr10 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    It has to be deliberate; not investigating because it will give the answer they don't want.
     
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  12. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Master

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    They are just giving time for Tesco to develop their "Low Carb Processed ****" range in time for Christmas...
     
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  13. IanD

    IanD Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    That's the simplified version.

    This is a link to the PDF version giving the references. I've followed up a number of these. There is an instructive rabbit trail ....

    Ref 8 "A critical review of low-carbohydrate diets in people with Type 2 diabetes." is quoted in the PDF to prove -
    The actual report concludes -
    BUT - note that it is a DUK report.

    But a citation in that Ref 8 report gives a rather different conclusion - "Effect of low-calorie versus low-carbohydrate ketogenic diet in type 2 diabetes."
    Not only did the LCKD keto diet improve glycemic control, it allowed the reduction in medication. I suggest that the "strict medical supervision" is because the diet is so effective that medication can be reduced.
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    where do we find our "strict medical supervision" ?!? We need to self test & of course self testing is discouraged by our doctors.
     
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  14. IanD

    IanD Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Looking at my footnote -
    Type 2 in 2000, 3x500 metformin, reduced carb diet
    HBA Jan 08 - 6.7, July 09 - 6.2, January 10 - 5.9, October 12 - 6.3
    No diabetic complications.

    My HbA1c has drifted up over the 10 years & steadied at 6.7.
    My average readings - fasting/before/after meals were 7.3 at the end of April. I then reduced my carbs towards keto & the average is now 6.9.

    My interest in keto is for my 5 y-o granddaughter Ava who is suffering from epilepsy. Her parents think she is also suffering from side effects of powerful medication. The hospital at last is advising a keto diet for her.

    It seems that the dietitians are seeking to maintain strict control & advise against trying it without their strict supervision. Parents have been aware of the diet for months - not just from me - but a non-keto diet is the typical high carb/sugar, low fat diet that is bad for everyone.

    I think the sustained use of a near keto diet by members of this forum offers a massive database of constructive experience that would be relevant to its use for epilepsy.
     
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  15. zand

    zand Type 2 · Expert

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    In the case of childhood epilepsy isn't the period advised for keto restricted to something like 2 years? Sorry no references, just something I think I remember someone telling me. Could be wrong of course.
     
  16. IanD

    IanD Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    This wiki-keto report is very thorough.

    Relaxing the diet once it has been effective is normal. We need to maintain normal growth & development.
     
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  17. Honeyend

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    Well its better than nothing.

    I am a HCP and I am feel like a stick trying to go against the flow of the tide. Even people who should know better just think sugar is the problem and ignore the role of carbohydrate, complex or not. Its disheartening to see people with high RBG eating very little because they are eating the wrong foods under advice from other HCP, and they have the 'supporting evidence' to go with it.
    They are advised to have have healthy wholegrain **** for breakfast, and it goes down hill for the rest of the day. So then they binge on something sweet because my figures are rubbish so why not? Then the HCP gives the talk about eating healthy foods and the circle goes round. I would be happy if the circle would get a flat tyre, expecting someone to change the wheel I think is too much to expect at the moment.
     
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  18. Resurgam

    Resurgam Type 2 (in remission!) · Expert

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    Having brought up two children one rather more low carb than the other - the one with the higher carb intake is the shorter one and is not so robust as might be.
    The taller one is well over 6 foot, slender but well made, got a degree in computer software at university and it seems that he only had to grin mischievously at his wife for her to fall pregnant - they have four offspring so far - so the idea that low carb is going to stunt the development of a child could be in error - perhaps the restrictions are extended to more than carbs to try to get as close to the accepted rules of a healthy diet?
     
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  19. zand

    zand Type 2 · Expert

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    Yes me too! My child with the higher carb intake is the shorter one too.
     
  20. Daibell

    Daibell LADA · Master

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    Hi. As you may have gathered the food industry lobby is the problem on this. PHE advocates the 'bad' advice thru to the NHS and other bodies and if you dig down you find that PHE uses 'research' funded very much by the food industry and big pharma; the (in)famous Eat-Well Guide is a perfect example. PHE has no apparent desire to provide unbiased diet advice despite many of us lobbying ourselves over many years. At least this forum does it's bit in helping those who do end-up here.
     
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