Help-Bad Hypos? or something else

RPNKW

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Hi

Been diagnosed since last April and haven't been on for a while.

Due to various things including risk of redundancy (Which proved the straw that broke the camels back) I lost all interest in being poked and prodded and advised by various med people. Not that it isn't good that they do this but it all got a bit much.

Last Nov I was told I may still be producing insulin, my weight was down then and I was told I could be switched possibly to metformin. Never bothered going for the HBA1C though partly due to worries re elevated liver enzymes cos Ive been drinking way too much.

So, carried on with my insulin but upped it slightly as my weight was going up.

Started skipping breakfast carbs recently. Shot out of the house after eating an omlette one day following novo-rapid.Got to my meeting and suddenly the ground lurched, all the sound went away like I was underwater andI nearly fell over. I recovered but shook like mad for 2 hours after. Drank 4 cans of coke 2 bueno bars and digestives.Ate a meal a bit later.I was told that my face-which is normally quite tanned-turned grey.

Thought it was a one off but it happenned again the next week by a to a fire station in an area with no shops as I was rushing between work appointments. I had just heard that cuts at my work were about to hit. Ended up feeling dizzy and faint. Luckilly I had some dextrosol and water and I ate most of a packet of them.A paramedic came out and trsted me and by that time my BM was 8mmol about 25 mins after the dextrose. A friend came to pick me up.

I would like some advice before going near a Dr. I will describe the symptoms. In addition to this they normally follow a night drinking lots of alcohol. I had a very hectic july and August and the top of my spine hurts plus pains in my arms after carrying heavy bags over my left shoulder.It is possible that this has affected my feeling of balance and equilibrium.

Sometimes I get sudden "Spinning sensations" The sound starts getting distorted like my ears are blocked. I will get very panicky and confused and disorientated as if I am not in my own body. Sights and sounds get very confusing. Yesterday it hit me again and I was literally huddled against a pillar on some steps outside a bank shaking like a jelly and thinking "Im going to faint any minute" even writing this is triggering some of these sensations.

It feels a bit like being on some horrible carousel and my thoughts become scary and morbid.

Yesterday I took lucozade wqhen it was happening and ran for a taxi. I asked to be taken home but stopped off at a park as I was feeling calmer.Just looking at green with no background noise seemed mech better. It improved so I walked into town again.I was ok until I reached a crossing when a car sounded it's horn very loudly, hey presto, symptoms all over again though slightly milder.

Just a point. I ate a lunbch of tomatoes and three thick slices of toast.I took NO insulin. Checked my BM 5 or six times in the next three hours where I took no exercise. Readings were. 11.7-12.4 then 15.5 then 13.8, then, 9.4, then 7.6 then 5.3 and finally 4.6 just before I ate my evening meal. Fish, tomatoes and waxy potatoes again NO insulin redings in the three hours after were 7.2 then 10.8, then 11.7, then 8.4, then 7.2 then 6.8 then 5.8., pre ben was about 6.2 so I had a snack and took my lantus for the night.

I don't know whats going on here. This faint feeling stuff is scary-oh and by the way as I recover I sometimes feel very nauseous but have never thrown up.I have never actually become unconscious.

I have had moderate hypos before, I went down to 2.1 in the penines with only mild quakiness but nothink like this, it feels like your head is sqeezed in a vice and the horrible sensations break over you like waves.

I think my kidneys are working, I know I haven't been taking enough fluids though and I am working on that. I am sure my liver is scarred but there is only one think I can do about that.I do wonder whether or not there is a psychological element to this too as some of the symptoms are panic type symptoms. I would like to work on it as it is starting to seriously affect my quality of life.

Can anyone help, has anyone had hypos like this, could it be something else? Also what is going on re the BM readings mentioned?

Any help appreciated.

RPNKW
 

hanadr

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You should discuss this with a healthcare professional that you trust
Hana
 

peecee

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I'd go and see a doctor as soon as possible.
 

fergus

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Those sound like some pretty spectacular hypos!
From the "no insulin" experiments you did, it's clear you are still making a fair amount of insulin. Your phase 1 insulin response isn't strong, but your phase 2 is clearly enough to bring your blood glucose down to a normal level within a few hours after eating carbs.
How much insulin did you take when you had the hypo after the breakfast omlette? It sounds like it was far too much, considering the huge amount of glucose you needed to get your bg back up again.
I would predict that if you try your no insulin experiment again, this time with an omlette for breakfast and no toast, you will find your bg rises very little, then falls back to where it started a few hours later. Certainly no double figures, and no hypos.

All the best,

fergus
 

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How's your blood pressure? Some of the symptoms you describe match those I've had before - total "out of body" experience, hearing loss and pain across the shoulders. It's terribly difficult to distinguish them from a hypo, and quite horrible when you have them WITH a hypo. Go see your doc!
 

totsy

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some symptoms also sound anxiety related, the hypos certainly wont be helping,you really need medical advice,let us know how u get on :D
 

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This may be no help at all, but I have noticed over the years thatteh severity of the hypo symtoms, do not necessarily relate tothe number ob my monitor. Obviously, they get worse as teh numbers go down...but sometime I function quite well at 2.1, whilst other times, 2.8 will have be sweating and giddy.

It is a sad thing, but in my area, the Drs will not see poeple they consider to be well controleed ( I am not great, but not bad, and I haven't been able to see the specialist for 18 months now) so the DRs are used to naughty diabetics. I completely understand about your situation..would love to say that I have done everything right, and done exactly what I know I should, but I haven't. Do I regret it now? Absolutely, but I would have regretted it muchmore if I hadn't eventually tried to sort myself out.

I don't know if its hypos or anxiety, or a combination of the 2. Please make the appointment with teh DR, and start carrying your meter with you everywhere, so you can test if another funny spell happens
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jonniep1

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Hi there I went through a similar experience two years,were I was having basically panic attacks and thought it was hypo`s.As I can remember I was under stress at the time with work,family and dealing with been diagnosed diabetes.so what I decided to do was to research panic attacks and how to prevent them.I also notice if I had drank too much alcohol the night before the attacks the next day would be terrifying as you think your having a heart attack,the room starts spinning,a crowd would become louder and you start fearing for your life.I took little steps in sorting out my life,I went back to collage drank less alcohol and started making positive steps in life and the attacks stop.Also what was great was I bought a mp3player and listen to music anytime i felt an attack coming on,because your mind is been preoccupied with the music the attack stops.I think your suffering from stress and when you get stress those systems you write about happen,because it happen to me.

kind Regards
Jonathan
 

lilibet

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All good suggestions so far

However,i do think it does sound like bad hypos on some occasions (eating whole packet dextrose tabs and only 8mmol aftewards!). This will be a combination of too much insulin/too few carbs, running about, and alcohol is spectacularly good at lowering bg. If Im drinking I need to check constantly whats going on. More so if you are still making some of your own


Furthermore, if you are now becoming wary and stressed when going out (incase it happens again) then you will feel anxious etc.

However BP can cause dizzines and unexplained hypos and dizzines might signify something else (adrenal glands probs?) so go and get everything checked out by the GP
 

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I had a couple of funny spells, but knew they couldn't be hypos. did check and they weren't. They were LOW blood pressure. I'm on medication and it may need changing. I have the appointment for Thursday morning. However after walking 2 miles to the surgery, It won't be showing low, so I'll take my home bp meter to show.
Hana