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Help! My weight loss has stuck

Discussion in 'Newly Diagnosed' started by Dexterdobe, Feb 2, 2018.

  1. Dexterdobe

    Dexterdobe Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I have a light breakfast. I tried a slice of ryebread with eggs initially, but realised pretty quickly that it was too many carbs. Now I have eggs on ham or sometimes celery with peanut butter.
     
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    Dexterdobe Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I confess that I have resisted the temptation to count carbs and calories. I did go a bit mad on nuts and seeds for a time, but it was Christmas so nuts were plentiful in our house. My family think I'm nuts by the way. They have been brainwashed by the 'low carb, low calorie' camp and they just can't see that carbs are the real enemy.
     
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    Richardmichaelmcgrath Type 2 · Member

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    My bloods go up to about 7 without eating anything, looks like eggs every morning from now on
     
  4. Dexterdobe

    Dexterdobe Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Are you talking about you BG result first thing in the morning? If so it's probably the dawn phenomenon which is usually caused by your liver dumping glucose into your blood to get you ready for the day. It's very common and it is usually the last thing to improve as your BG falls. Don't worry about it too much. There are plenty of tips on this website which may help. (Listen to me, I've only been diagnosed for a few months and already I sound like I know what I'm talking about).:)
     
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    CherryAA Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Well done so far !
    The latest thoughts are that there is no such thing as a healthy BMI - health comes at all levels when someone is metabolically healthy (ie low hba1c, low insulin low trigs, high HDl) . Interestingly optimal weight for longevity is actually 25-27 bmi anyway - adn as you get older being a little bigger is actually good for you 1
    take a look at this age adjusted calculator
    I suspect you are already well within the green range ( I'm assuming you must be around 5 10" :)

    if your weight stalled it might be because you are still eating too much or it might be that your body already reached its rightful place !
    your next step might be to try toning up more - check out Michael Mosley on the bbc this week
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09qjl7d/the-truth-about-25-getting-fit
     
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  6. Dexterdobe

    Dexterdobe Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks
    I've been away and only just picked up on this. The problem is of course that there are so many theories about health, diet, fitness and weight that none of us really knows which view to follow.
    I set out in November to try to reverse my diabetes. Despite the weight loss, exercise and yes, toning work, I don't feel I have reached that goal. If I eat even a few bad carbs my BG soars. I don't think that you can say you have truly reversed T2 unless your BG stays within reasonable limits even if you occasionally eat too much of the wrong thing. I have read that you need to go on the Newcastle diet for eight weeks or lose a sixth of your body weight quite quickly to have a reasonable chance of reversing T2. I don't feel I would be able to maintain my active lifestyle if I diet that extremely. Instead, I'm hoping that when my HBa1c comes back on 15th Feb it will be in the normal range and that I can keep it normal by never again eating the wrong foods. Does that make sense?
     
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    Alexandra100 Prefer not to say · Well-Known Member

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    To me your current goal makes total sense, much more so than your previous one. It appears to me from my reading that the word "remission" is used by the Newcastle team rather than "reversal" (which is used, I think in ignorance, by many journalists). It seems clear that remission has to be maintained by continuing careful eating plus adding in exercise. That is not what most people would understand by "reversal". However, that is a lot more encouraging than the belief that diabetes is progressive and there is nothing you can do about it, which seems to be held by many health professionals.

    “Our findings suggest that even if you have had type 2 diabetes for six years, putting the disease into remission is feasible”, says Prof Michael Lean from the University of Glasgow who co-led the study. “In contrast to other approaches, we focus on the need for long-term maintenance of weight loss through diet and exercise". Quoted from an article in the Guardian
    https://www.theguardian.com/society...t-can-reverse-type-2-diabetes-new-study-shows
     
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    Dexterdobe Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    That's very useful thanks. Reading other members experiences has helped me to manage my expectations. I think the situation is confusing because a few individuals have successfully cured themselves in that they can eat reasonably normally providing they keep their weight down. It seems to me (and remember I'm very new to all this) that these 'cured' individuals are the exception and that most of us have to accept that we will never again be able to consume carbs and sugar freely and remain in control of our BG.
    I'm resigned to having to eat a restrictive diet for the rest of my life. Hopefully, I will be able to introduce occasional treats once I have reached my target weight, but I will never be able to eat freely again and weight control will be central to the long-term control of my BG. If my GP is correct and my condition progresses, then at least I have tried and a lot of other health problems I have suffered from will hopefully continue to be less of a problem in future. This seems to be a more realistic target than one where I expect to cure myself permanently.
     
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    CherryAA Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I think many people simply do not appreciate the extent to which eating carbohydrates is something that results in spiked glucose for MOST people with or without diabetes. I would suggest that this is because these foods are simply not good for anyone . The attached charts show 6 days of blood sugar readings for 10 sub-elite athletes eating a normal diet. If anyone of us got these readings on eating food we would stop eating that food. The next two show month's worth of data for a diabetic guy eating carbs and injecting insulin and comparing that to simply not eating the carbs.
     

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    Dexterdobe Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Well, changing my diet for a couple of days certainly did the trick. I upped my fat intake for two days. When I weighed myself I was a pound lighter. Then I went back on my original diet and I lost two pounds in two days. The lesson from this- If you get stuck on your diet change it for a couple of days. It worked for me even though I ate a few more calories initially.
    Complex things our bodies.
     
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  11. Rachox

    Rachox Type 2 (in remission!) · Moderator
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    I’m so glad this worked for you, keep up the good work!
     
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  12. Mbaker

    Mbaker Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    Great that your weight loss has restarted. BMI is useful but not completely accurate, last week I got into the 24’s, I then upped my weight training put on more lean muscle mass which decreased my fat percentage - this put my BMI up to 25.4, I don’t care. I would recommend weight to height ratio https://www.disabled-world.com/calculators-charts/height-weight.php and waist to height ratio https://www.health-calc.com/body-composition/waist-to-height-ratio and waist to hip ratio https://www.healthline.com/health/waist-to-hip-ratio#calculate.

    If you list the “restrictive” foods they tend to be made of a combination of sugar, flour and vegetable fats (garbage). These have been engineered by food scientists to hit the sweet spot in humans. If you also review the nutritional content of such foods, they tend to be empty calories, this is psychological food, not physiological. The restrictive list is modern man made, delicious and pervasive. There are loads of alternatives, over 3 days I finished off in third portions an apple pie, with Greek yogurt and peanut butter - this was home made with almond and fibre flour mixed in equal portions for the pasty and Granny Smiths apples (this was part of a 3 course meal, blood sugars the next day on my regime 3. Something). I also within the last week have had chicken pie, about a 5 inch square portion again made with Fibreflour. There are loads of alternatives.

    I just added up the individual items I tend to have in a meal. Main (meat or fish, at least 3 veg), nuts seeds around 10 plus, desert 2 to 3 elements. So I have routinely over 15 elements in my meals and plenty of variety - just ask for ideas on the site.
     
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    shelley262 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for these links just used the waist hip ratio one and has made my day as got 0.8 which according to chart puts me at low risk - something positive to add to and balance out next months statins and high cholesterol discussion! I know I have now lost 12cms off my waist during the last four months so this wouldn’t have been such a good result then and proves weight loss is off the right place.
     
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    SueJB Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Nice idea
     
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    JRTwalker Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I have also found that my weight loss has plateaued and after rapid weight loss from low carbs and low calories that fixed my HbA1c, I was encouraged to introduce more calories to give myself more energy but the only effect this is having is to allow weight to increase. I addressed by returning to low calorie - probably less than 1200 per day and with a 5K power walk every morning to kick start my day I do find myself fatigued but caught in a situation where my weight loss has stalled despite eating as little as I can.
    I too would appreciate any advice anyone has on being able to break-out of this torpid metabolic state without adding weight. Ideally I could lose another two stone.
     
  16. Mbaker

    Mbaker Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    My advice is don't be scared of weight gain under the right circumstances

    - building muscle mass
    - increasing bone density

    Both are desirable and extra muscle mass burns more fat and assists independent of insulin cell glucose uptake.
     
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