If the shake and low cal work for some people surely that must be good in terms of ultimate goal of reversing and controlling? Obviously wouldn't be the first choice for most on here but LCHF is also not a realistic option for some people either. I love your work in spreading the LCHF word but I can see how other ways suit some people better.Every little helps . Hoping that the week of diabetes coming up on 24th August will do great things. In one of the biggest selling papers. It has to help.
I was listening to you tube videos yesterday on the subject. I find it amazing that diabetes.org.uk are ploughing money into their way of gaining remission ie the 8 week (or so) shake (people must be starving, torturous). Yes, hba1c comes down (it will with lack of food) but then what? How do they sustain it? Low cal apparently. The 2 sites couldn't be further apart.
All I know is from day one of changing to low carb higher than my norm fat I've rarely been hungry. It was quite incredible actually.
She doesnt seem happy to me. What do you think?
https://www.diabetes.org.uk/researc...ht/research-spotlight-low-calorie-liquid-diet
Sometimes, when we are round at mother in laws place,
it can be useful for a bloke to dip into the blooming buzzing confusion that (1) is usually tuned out and pick up some gems of interest.
For instance, on Sunday I found out, purely by accident, that it’s our wedding anniversary today.
Time enough then for a “happy anniversary” cheer when delivering Mrs Miggins her morning brew.
If the shake and low cal work for some people surely that must be good in terms of ultimate goal of reversing and controlling?
Obviously wouldn't be the first choice for most on here but LCHF is also not a realistic option for some people either.
I love your work in spreading the LCHF word but I can see how other ways suit some people better.
Have I read correctly Debs...over two years a third of the test group is still in remission...if that's correct I wouldn't say it's a resounding success...DUK did not work for me too archaic...patronising nothing innovative...yet it's perceived to be the gold standard of T2 care & management...smoke & mirrors come to mind.She doesnt seem happy to me. What do you think?
Sponsorship possibly jjraakSo glad that as hard as my early days were, they did lead me to here and my choice of LCHF.
a choice they seem most reluctant to offer others for some reason.
Have I read correctly Debs...over two years a third of the test group is still in remission...if that's correct I wouldn't say it's a resounding success...DUK did not work for me too archaic...patronising nothing innovative...yet it's perceived to be the gold standard of T2 care & management...smoke & mirrors come to mind.
I'm not sure how much real attention the management of T2 get's there jjraak...they do not promote testing for T2 on a very grand scale unless it's self funded...they did change their advice on diet relatively recently for the first time since 2011 however opted for low carb & low fat...why I have no idea...if you read their recommendations for a healthy diet to manage your T2 diabetes it includes wholemeal bread...bananas as a healthy snack option...some cereals...the list of high carb foods is endless...I wonder why they are not prepared to mount a study with LCHF or some other alternative more effective diet.agree, does seem that many return to where they were, sadly.
I like the sensible tone of the reply and the focus on the long term. Without derailing this thread anymore a couple of points strike me. Managing sugar intake or glucose levels doesn't necessarily mean nutritious which I think is the thrust of the critique of the shakes then low cal/fat approach. I am quite willing to accept that some analysis of the weaknesses of LCHF are valid - it is certainly creaking for me. Secondly, as you rightly say, there are other approaches to a healthy woe that work for many and LCHF is one pathway. Overall, I think low carb is the least bad option out there but I am wholly unconvinced of the hf element.I think to offer up the idea that 8 weeks cures your ills with regard type 2, is disingenuous and will dilute the real fact that ANY treatment of type 2 requires a lifetime commitment to regulating the sugar intake, be that by LCHF, keto, Veganism or any other dietary protocol.
I'm not sure how much real attention the management of T2 get's there jjraak...they do not promote testing for T2 on a very grand scale unless it's self funded...they did change their advice on diet relatively recently for the first time since 2011 however opted for low carb & low fat...why I have no idea...if you read their recommendations for a healthy diet to manage your T2 diabetes it includes wholemeal bread...bananas as a healthy snack option...some cereals...the list of high carb foods is endless...I wonder why they are not prepared to mount a study with LCHF or some other alternative more effective diet.
I like the sensible tone of the reply and the focus on the long term. Without derailing this thread anymore a couple of points strike me. Managing sugar intake or glucose levels doesn't necessarily mean nutritious which I think is the thrust of the critique of the shakes then low cal/fat approach. I am quite willing to accept that some analysis of the weaknesses of LCHF are valid - it is certainly creaking for me. Secondly, as you rightly say, there are other approaches to a healthy woe that work for many and LCHF is one pathway. Overall, I think low carb is the least bad option out there but I am wholly unconvinced the hf element.
Enough from me.
I am still a member but no longer post there...I feel exactly the same about them.have to admit, i stopped listening to them when all i heard was more of the same foods the docs had suggested,
I was a self employed computer software developer from 1976, when we though 256 bytes was a lot of space, until 2000 when I retired. I develpoed a lot of algorithms so am partly guilty for today's world of information gathering.Then heaven forbid you ever Look at your Google timeline ( Google maps)....