HAS ANYONE EVER CHALLENGED THE NHS EAT WELL PLATE/GUIDE RE DIABETICS?

[bulkbiker]

No butter or avocados too.

madness..

 

[Debandez]

This may sound awful but here goes, I look at a plate of pasta or rice and an image of amputated feet immediately comes to mind and I make my choices accordingly. I'm strange in that way.

Give diabetes an inch and it takes a foot!

 

[Oldvatr]

Who benefits if hundreds of millions of T2D managed to reverse their condition and becomes medication free within a year or so?

The patient of course!

 

[Oldvatr]

Hi. This topic has long been discussed on these forums. The main problem is the influence of the global food industry. They fund many of the university 'research' programs which keep the Professors in business. Organisations such as PHE (Public Health England) go to the universities for dietary advice and guess what they receive? Carbs are cheap and very profitable. The recent Eatwell Guide update was signed-off by a committee consisting of a majority of food industry people (the Minutes are lurking on the web if you can find them) so is totally biased. The next level problem is that NHS Choices, NICE, BDA (British Dietetic Association) etc follow PHE advice and GPs and DNs are expected to follow it. Even DUK (the .org one) followed this advice until recently when it has started to trim it back. I've complained many times to the NHS, DUK etc usually with no effect but DUK did recently give me a much more considered reply. What a strange world we live in. I feel sorry for those who take the bad NHS diet advice and don't know about these forums. The harm done is incalculable.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...-guide-food-and-drinks-industry-a7042251.html

There was a parallel discussion here on the forum. Interesting to see what the EU dictates to us for training
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/th...n-claim-medical-students.140036/#post-1736566

 

[Debandez]

Like you @Rachox I am a late comer to this thread. My Dr and Dn are interested to see my results after starting the LCHF diet again. I did it a few years ago and it was working but I fell off the wagon. This time I'm driving the wagon!! Also one of my neighbours is a dietician at the local hospital and when I told her about going on the LCHF diet her words "That is not safe, you need carbs to keep your body going and all that fat is dangerous. You will not loose weight and you will have no energy because energy comes from carbs" Well guess she is in for a shock in the next couple of months when I have my next HbA1c check! will keep you posted.

Not loose weight! This is my weight loss on LCHF and it's almost a daily reduction. How can they say that??!!!


HBA1C 62!!!
14.3 = 8/12
13.7 = 21/12
13.6 = 23/12
13.5 = 25/12
13.7 = 28/12!!!
13.5 = 1/1
13.3 = 5/1
13.2 = 12/1
13.1 = 13/1
13.0 = 14/1
12.13 = 17/1
12.12 = 19/1
12.11 = 25/1
12.8 = 1/2
12.6 = 6/2
HBA1C 47!!!
12.5 = 21/2
12.3 = 1/3
12.2 = 5/3
12.1 = 9/3
12 stone! = 15/3
11.13 = 21/3
11.12 = 22/3
HBA1C 42!!! (HOME TEST)
11.11 = 23/3
11.10 = 5/4
11.9 = 6/4
11.8 = 28/4
11.7 = 2/5
11.6 = 3/5
11.5 = 10/5
HBA1C AT DRS = 41 15/5
11.4 = 18/5 (CURRENT WEIGHT)

 

[Guzzler]

Not loose weight! This is my weight loss on LCHF and it's almost a daily reduction. How can they say that??!!!


HBA1C 62!!!
14.3 = 8/12
13.7 = 21/12
13.6 = 23/12
13.5 = 25/12
13.7 = 28/12!!!
13.5 = 1/1
13.3 = 5/1
13.2 = 12/1
13.1 = 13/1
13.0 = 14/1
12.13 = 17/1
12.12 = 19/1
12.11 = 25/1
12.8 = 1/2
12.6 = 6/2
HBA1C 47!!!
12.5 = 21/2
12.3 = 1/3
12.2 = 5/3
12.1 = 9/3
12 stone! = 15/3
11.13 = 21/3
11.12 = 22/3
HBA1C 42!!! (HOME TEST)
11.11 = 23/3
11.10 = 5/4
11.9 = 6/4
11.8 = 28/4
11.7 = 2/5
11.6 = 3/5
11.5 = 10/5
HBA1C AT DRS = 41 15/5
11.4 = 18/5 (CURRENT WEIGHT)

Well done, that lass!

 

[Rachox]

Not loose weight! This is my weight loss on LCHF and it's almost a daily reduction. How can they say that??!!!


HBA1C 62!!!
14.3 = 8/12
13.7 = 21/12
13.6 = 23/12
13.5 = 25/12
13.7 = 28/12!!!
13.5 = 1/1
13.3 = 5/1
13.2 = 12/1
13.1 = 13/1
13.0 = 14/1
12.13 = 17/1
12.12 = 19/1
12.11 = 25/1
12.8 = 1/2
12.6 = 6/2
HBA1C 47!!!
12.5 = 21/2
12.3 = 1/3
12.2 = 5/3
12.1 = 9/3
12 stone! = 15/3
11.13 = 21/3
11.12 = 22/3
HBA1C 42!!! (HOME TEST)
11.11 = 23/3
11.10 = 5/4
11.9 = 6/4
11.8 = 28/4
11.7 = 2/5
11.6 = 3/5
11.5 = 10/5
HBA1C AT DRS = 41 15/5
11.4 = 18/5 (CURRENT WEIGHT)

Very well done on the weight loss and the patience you had typing out all those stats!

 

[derry60]

Not only have I heard of the Eat Well Plate. I ****** went out and bought the Eat Well Plate. I did actually follow the guidlines, being careful not to overload the Eat Well Plate, making sure that the potatoes never went over the line, and had a chicken breast the size of my palm. I still put on weight and was told that I was Pre-Diabetic. The Eat Well plate is now at the back of the cupboard never to be seen or used again

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Oh I mentioned the word Blood with a "Y" on the end, did not know that was bad arggg

 

[derry60]

Me too! Low fat everything, brown rice, pasta and bread, high fibre usually baked beans, jacket potatoes and plenty of fruit and still wondered why I never lost weight even though I was eating ‘healthily’.

Yes, to think that I was eating like that for years after my Heart Attack, I thought that I was doing good and could not understand the weight gain.

 

[Oldvatr]

Oh I mentioned the word Blood with a "Y" on the end, did not know that was bad arggg

You said you followed the guidelines, but not those pertaining to using this forum. Tut

Since I too have had a heart attack, I am now following the Pioppi diet as formulated by Dr Aseem Malhotra who is a reknowned Cardiologist who gets BBC/ Skye airtime. It is somewhere between Mediterranean Diet and LCHF diet, but I adapt it for LC. I am of the opinion that My Omega oil is better ju-ju than Your Omega oil as it were. I just don't need a keto diet at the moment, so it fits the bill nicely. My weight dropped to a good place then has been quite stable since.

 

[Rachox]

Oh I mentioned the word Blood with a "Y" on the end, did not know that was bad arggg

I think you’ll find it’s an automatic censoring feature recently activated on the Forum. @DCUKMod will hopefully confirm this.

 

[Oldvatr]

I think you’ll find it’s an automatic censoring feature recently activated on the Forum. @DCUKMod will hopefully confirm this.

My dad used Bally instead. Lets see how fine tuned that gizmo is. B****G!!!!!

Moderated for language for the benefit of any German readers.

Edit: Thanks for clarification. I think Alan Turing would deem there to be a human on the other end of this connection as that does not appear to be an automated response (yet) I wonder what the Esperanto translation is?????? S******, I believe

Moderated for language again. Please desist and remember this is a forum viewed all over the world. Thank you.

 

[JohnEGreen]

b***** ******e

No can say what you like in German

Edited for language.

 

[Oldvatr]

b***** *****e

No can say what you like in German

I suspect maybe the umlaut has confused the enemy.

Edited for language in quoted content.

 

[bulkbiker]

b***** ******e

No can say what you like in German

Edited for language.

Looks like the mods can sprich auch Deutsch

 

[DCUKMod]

Looks like the mods can sprich auch Deutsch

Actually, at least one lived there for a number of years.

 

[Oldvatr]

Looks like the mods can sprich auch Deutsch

Also sprach Zarathustra.

I note that PHE has advised us to avoid red meats, so they too are ducking this language issue too. The word is Not Applicable to this thread. I yield.

 

[bulkbiker]

Also sprach Zarathustra.

I note that PHE has advised us to avoid red meats, so they too are ducking this language issue too. The word is Not Applicable to this thread. I yield.

Ah PHE and the ever delightful Dr Alison Tedstone.. my anti heroine..

 

[rab5]

Very well done on the weight loss and the patience you had typing out all those stats!

U would loose a stone typing that

 

[SueJB]

It is blatently obvious that the NHS guidelines are so wrong for diabetics. And probably for people in general. But specifically for us. As diabetics we are carbohydrate intolerant so we have to keep carbs much lower than people who aren't. There seems to be an under lying reason that we aren't given proper advice and we are offered medication and not adviced to check blood sugars with a meter. Drs get paid more for patients on diabetes meds I believe (and even more when statins are perscribed). Pharma companies are also quids in as are diabetes organisations. Poor dietary advice keeps people sick and results in them needing more meds. Does anyone know whether the eatwell guidelines have ever been challenged. For example via change.org?

@Debandez I partially agree with what you say but I don't actually think docs do it for money, it's more likely they're ignorant about good dietary advice. I've challenged the "Eat well guidelines" and the dietitian thought I was extreme when I said I didn't want to eat fruit