Massive congratulations @Estragon , what a guy. (Who the one with the spear? Yep, assegai) Your post puts things into perspective somewhat. Tee 2 - after 456789000 ish attempts to draw enough blood reckons 6.2. Enough reasons to doubt that and huge variations in Stabbo's readings, within seconds, yesterday but I'll go with that - suits my scepticism. I'm with the Emeister in finding Elsie unattractive about 80-90% of the time but the good days are good. I've become too complacent being in the place he is celebrating. Thanks Bud.